MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[danlb_2000]

I'm new to this blog. What does "IP" mean?

"Intellectual Property", but in the context of these discussions it usually refers to basing rides/attractions on existing movies as opposed to creating something totally new.

 

[danlb_2000]

All while avoiding the fact that Snow White's Scary Adventure, Mr. Toad, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Swiss Family Robinson Tree House, Splash Mountain etc., were all IP.

I think you will find that most people don't have a problem with IP based attractions in general, they have a problem with IP exclusively, or it being forced into places where they feel it is inappropriate.

 

[Ayla]

I guess it will be too late soon to do an impersonation of Show boat. hehe Oh wait I think phantasmic already does that.

They did something similar based on Tiana in later 2009. I was there at the time and saw it.

 

[flynnibus]

What does this even mean? You didn't answer my question. Why should the average Disney guest care if something is a "wasted space that is bad for business"?

You’re moving the goal posts… yesterday it was why we talk about it here, now you say ‘average guest’ like just the customers moving through the park.

The people spending years on a discussion forum are not ‘average guests’ nor are the discussions here always relevant to just enjoying the park.

The answer is because we are discussing the rationale and reasons behind choices, not just enjoying the end results.

That means facing all the constraints the company has to deal with… not just fantasy where one gets to just ignore or hide from things they don’t want to deal with.

 

[Incomudro]

I think you will find that most people don't have a problem with IP based attractions in general, they have a problem with IP exclusively, or it being forced into places where they feel it is inappropriate.

I understand.
I'm not for IP just for the sake of IP.
Just playing Devil's Advocate.
Anyone who ever stepped into a Disney Park when the parks first opened surely expected to see about as much Disney stuff as possible.
I'm quite certain the term IP wasn't even one the public really knew, or used.

 

[Dreamer19]

611 pages in, and I still see the same people repeating the same ridiculous talking points: "waste of space", "underutilized space", "good business move", etc, etc. Unless you're a Disney employee or own Disney stock, why do you care about that? What impact does that have on your park experience? If you're someone that says "I love Cars, looking forward to this area" or "I am excited for something new at MK", then I can respect that, because you are giving an opinion based on your enjoyment of the parks. The average guest shouldn't care about whats "best for business" for Disney.

I’m a shareholder and former CM and I am VEHEMENTLY against this plan.

I agree. If you are arguing for this because you sincerely like Cars or truly feel that they will do a good job on this and that MK won’t just become an expensive Six Flags….well, then great and good for you.

On the other hand, those defending with terms like “this will up their bottom line”

Great. How is that good for guests?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I’m a shareholder and former CM and I am VEHEMENTLY against this plan.

I agree. If you are arguing for this because you sincerely like Cars or truly feel that they will do a good job on this and that MK won’t just become an expensive Six Flags….well, then great and good for you.

On the other hand, those defending with terms like “this will up their bottom line”

Great. How is that good for guests?

How is it bad for the guest? I get being against it for your own principles but it's for the betterment of the park. This is a fact.

 

[ToTBellHop]

How is it bad for the guest? I get being against it for your own principles but it's for the betterment of the park. This is a fact.

It's not but that doesn't match the narrative.

Also, anyone who has been to Six Flags recently will see they run their parks horrendously and charge more for just about everything than Disney.

 

[danlb_2000]

How is it bad for the guest? I get being against it for your own principles but it's for the betterment of the park. This is a fact.

That is an opinion.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

That is an opinion.

No. It's footpath gain, now a complete loop and ride capacity gain. It's fact. Disliking it is the opinion.

 

[ToTBellHop]

No. It's footpath gain, now a complete loop and ride capacity gain. It's fact. Disliking it is the opinion.

What is "better" for the guest depends on how you measure what is "better".

I would imagine GSATs on this corner of the park will improve. Guest spending certainly will. Smiles per hour? We will see.

 

[danlb_2000]

No. It's footpath gain, now a complete loop and ride capacity gain. It's fact. Disliking it is the opinion.

What is the hourly capacity of the new Cars rides?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

What is the hourly capacity of the new Cars rides?

Better than the hourly capacity of the former stuff that's being shuttered. Careful with that laugh react, your bias toward nostalgia is showing.

 

[danlb_2000]

No. It's footpath gain, now a complete loop and ride capacity gain. It's fact. Disliking it is the opinion.

It being for the betterment of the park is also an opinion.

 

[Dreamer19]

How is it bad for the guest? I get being against it for your own principles but it's for the betterment of the park. This is a fact.

I live in Orlando, I talk to people (including current Cast Members). Anecdotally, the consensus is that Disney has fallen in quality.

Do you think if you asked the average Guest about Disney Parks and if they’re better now than they were ten, twenty or thirty years ago….that they would agree?

Epcot, Splash to TBA, LL, the deterioration of Tomorrowland. It’s a pattern. I HATE that I feel this way, but again, talking to APs, CMs and locals….i know I’m not in the minority.

 

[danlb_2000]

Better than the hourly capacity of the former stuff that's being shuttered.

I repeat, what is the capacity of the new rides? You state as a fact that the new rides will have a higher capacity, so you must know the capacity of the new rides, otherwise it would just be your opinion.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I live in Orlando, I talk to people (including current Cast Members). Anecdotally, the consensus is that Disney has fallen in quality.

Oh, no, on that I agree. Disney stopped being great long ago.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I repeat, what is the capacity of the new rides? You state as a fact that the new rides will have a higher capacity, so you must know the capacity of the new rides, otherwise it would just be your opinion.

Why do you assume it wont?

 

[Dreamer19]

I keep seeing comments about “shareholders” on this board.

I have not seen the financial benefits of any of Disney leadership’s creative decisions.

 

[Dreamer19]

Oh, no, on that I agree. Disney stopped being great long ago.

I just know it CAN be great. That is why I am so passionate.