MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[flynnibus]

How in the world could you plus up the steamboat? The only way would be to do something with the river bank scenes I guess. TSI would be much easier to enhance. But if you were to plus up the river bank scenes you're basically adding another Jungle Cruise ride.

Ehh.. you're talking about a possibility that has already been done, and no it wasn't anything like the Jungle Cruise.

What if the cruise actually included live entertainment? Or something that was more dynamic or unique per cycle?

What if they actually made the boat into a more history exhibit with engagement for kids?

Basically.. what if they did anything besides drive around in a circle with pre-recorded tracks. There is a lot they could have done if they were motivated to change it.

 

[celluloid]

Not only could have improved, but it was declining by degrees long before.

A lot of the times that is sadly the cycle.

 

[solidyne]

Ehh.. you're talking about a possibility that has already been done, and no it wasn't anything like the Jungle Cruise.

What if the cruise actually included live entertainment? Or something that was more dynamic or unique per cycle?

What if they actually made the boat into a more history exhibit with engagement for kids?

Basically.. what if they did anything besides drive around in a circle with pre-recorded tracks. There is a lot they could have done if they were motivated to change it.

Pre-recorded tracks?

 

[JackRogers]

"IP" stands for "Intellectual Property," referring to Disney's branded content like movies and characters. As Incomudro mentioned, many classic attractions were based on IPs. The key is how well they're integrated into the park's themes.

 

[flynnibus]

Pre-recorded tracks?

Yes the narration

 

[solidyne]

Yes the narration

You mean the live human?

Edit: never mind! Thought you meant JC!

 

[BrianLo]

Disney seems to find new space for DVC but the actual parks it's rip something out and replace or leave it empty. With 25,000 acres you would think park expansion would be a no brainer

That’s not factually true. The last DVC that didn’t tear something out was Aulani. For some reason this philosophy dominates everything they do at WDW.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

That’s not factually true. The last DVC that didn’t tear something out was Aulani. For some reason this philosophy dominates everything they do at WDW.

River country was rotting for 24 years. I would say the new Lodge is giving use back to the area.

 

[easyrowrdw]

That’s not factually true. The last DVC that didn’t tear something out was Aulani. For some reason this philosophy dominates everything they do at WDW.

I was gonna say the new Poly tower, but that replaced the luau, which I think they’d also let languish. Grand Floridian was new, but that was before Aulani? Riviera replaced CBR buildings…The new hotel they’re building? Did that destroy anything (aside from the views)?

 

[BrianLo]

I was gonna say the new Poly tower, but that replaced the luau, which I think they’d also let languish. Grand Floridian was new, but that was before Aulani? Riviera replaced CBR buildings…The new hotel they’re building? Did that destroy anything (aside from the views)?

That’s the least in my eyes, I think it’s consuming public access beaches. Plus I’m sure the Fort Wilderness fans would say it ruined their resort.

VGF2, Poly and CCV repurposed, BLT removed rooms. The Cabins at Fort Wilderness. Etc etc. Just to say DVC is no better, maybe the newest project and 8 projects ago didn’t take things away.

 

[jeanericuser001]

I guess it will be too late soon to do an impersonation of Show boat. hehe Oh wait I think phantasmic already does that.

 

[Raineman]

Because we chose to live in reality and not just dreams where people don't face reality?

What does this even mean? You didn't answer my question. Why should the average Disney guest care if something is a "wasted space that is bad for business"? Again, if you support any changes to the parks because you like the concept of the replacement, you like the IP in the replacement, you want something new and fresh, etc, then I understand that. I get it. But to continually present the talking point of "it's good for business" as the reason YOU want/like the change makes absolutely no sense, unless you have a personal stake in the corporate financial success of Disney theme parks. Myself and other people here who are opposed to this change know the reality, we know that $$$ is the main factor driving these changes, we're not ignorant to it, and we know this change is happening whether we like it or not, but we don't have to like it, and we don't need to be passive-aggressively mocked and belittled by some of the posters here who sound like Disney board members/shareholders. To be fair, I think everyone should be as civil as possible with this, no matter what side they are on.

 

[flyerjab]

Ehh.. you're talking about a possibility that has already been done, and no it wasn't anything like the Jungle Cruise.

What if the cruise actually included live entertainment? Or something that was more dynamic or unique per cycle?

What if they actually made the boat into a more history exhibit with engagement for kids?

Basically.. what if they did anything besides drive around in a circle with pre-recorded tracks. There is a lot they could have done if they were motivated to change it.

They could have tried ideas to plus TSI and the riverboat attraction. The hard reality is that it would have amounted to not that much.

WDW is now competing with a more aggressive competitor down the street. UNI poured money into a state of the art park, filled with classic and modern IPs. This now comes down to marketing new experiences to offer an alternative to what UNI has to offer. What do we think Disney is going to put money into to do that? A revamped TSI and riverboat? “Cmon kids, who cares about Mario, Harry Potter and dragons! Let’s go walk around TSI or ride a riverboat! I hear they revamped them so they will be extra special!”

I’m my mind UNI and Potter changed the theme park business forever. That crazy line of IP-drenched Potter fans when Hogwarts debuted had Bob seeing dollar signs. He can say that Disney doesn’t react to what UNI does, but I call BS. He’s followed that model ever since. Integrated lands with popular IP is the modus operandi.

And I don’t mind really. I’m not steeped in Walt Disney lore like some are on here. I go to these parks to get lost for a few days. My wife and I enjoy the trips just as much as we did 15 years ago. I enjoy change, and MK has some very stale areas. It isn’t breaking my heart to lose this party of the park. It was beautiful to be sure, but only as we walked past it. This change is creating a location with an attraction that we will definitely enjoy on repeat visits, with new aesthetics to take in.

 

[Chi84]

What does this even mean? You didn't answer my question. Why should the average Disney guest care if something is a "wasted space that is bad for business"? Again, if you support any changes to the parks because you like the concept of the replacement, you like the IP in the replacement, you want something new and fresh, etc, then I understand that. I get it. But to continually present the talking point of "it's good for business" as the reason YOU want/like the change makes absolutely no sense, unless you have a personal stake in the corporate financial success of Disney theme parks. Myself and other people here who are opposed to this change know the reality, we know that $$$ is the main factor driving these changes, we're not ignorant to it, and we know this change is happening whether we like it or not, but we don't have to like it, and we don't need to be passive-aggressively mocked and belittled by some of the posters here who sound like Disney board members/shareholders. To be fair, I think everyone should be as civil as possible with this, no matter what side they are on.

Of course money is the main factor. Why would it be otherwise? I’m not sure why that matters.

 

[Ayla]

I was gonna say the new Poly tower, but that replaced the luau, which I think they’d also let languish. Grand Floridian was new, but that was before Aulani? Riviera replaced CBR buildings…The new hotel they’re building? Did that destroy anything (aside from the views)?

Fort Wilderness.

 

[danlb_2000]

I'm new to this blog. What does "IP" mean?

"Intellectual Property", but in the context of these discussions it usually refers to basing rides/attractions on existing movies as opposed to creating something totally new.

 

[danlb_2000]

All while avoiding the fact that Snow White's Scary Adventure, Mr. Toad, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Swiss Family Robinson Tree House, Splash Mountain etc., were all IP.

I think you will find that most people don't have a problem with IP based attractions in general, they have a problem with IP exclusively, or it being forced into places where they feel it is inappropriate.

 

[Ayla]

I guess it will be too late soon to do an impersonation of Show boat. hehe Oh wait I think phantasmic already does that.

They did something similar based on Tiana in later 2009. I was there at the time and saw it.

 

[flynnibus]

What does this even mean? You didn't answer my question. Why should the average Disney guest care if something is a "wasted space that is bad for business"?

You’re moving the goal posts… yesterday it was why we talk about it here, now you say ‘average guest’ like just the customers moving through the park.

The people spending years on a discussion forum are not ‘average guests’ nor are the discussions here always relevant to just enjoying the park.

The answer is because we are discussing the rationale and reasons behind choices, not just enjoying the end results.

That means facing all the constraints the company has to deal with… not just fantasy where one gets to just ignore or hide from things they don’t want to deal with.

 

[Incomudro]

I think you will find that most people don't have a problem with IP based attractions in general, they have a problem with IP exclusively, or it being forced into places where they feel it is inappropriate.

I understand.
I'm not for IP just for the sake of IP.
Just playing Devil's Advocate.
Anyone who ever stepped into a Disney Park when the parks first opened surely expected to see about as much Disney stuff as possible.
I'm quite certain the term IP wasn't even one the public really knew, or used.