MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mattpeto]

Just curious if you mean "draw the masses" as far as spreading the crowds out in the park, or as far as drawing more people to the parks? Spreading out the crowds more evenly within the park would always be a great idea, but driving up attendance, from a guest experience perspective, may not be a good thing a good chunk of the time, given how full/busy the parks can get, especially MK.

In my previous post, I meant another D/E-ticket is good for lines at 7DMT, Tron, PPF, Tiana's, BTM, etc.

It will simply spread more people out. I don't think by adding a Cars attraction (or two) is going to make MK capacity bursts at the seams.

MK is a weird park. They put money into Epcot, DHS and AK and people still put their extra park day at MK anyway. It needs attractions that draw capacity.

 

[DisneyLeo18]

Yes the cars themselves but not the area/backdrop - so yes won't be genetic energy from that aspect but will have it from waterfalls and geysers and stuff

Last time they messed with genetic energy we wound up with Jurassic Park. So I am good with this decision

 

[lazyboy97o]

But wouldn't it be better to have attractions that people want to visit to increase the capacity? I doubt many people were going to TSI when BTMR went down. Didn't they just go to Pirates or one of the other major attractions? The wait times would increase anyway and the underutilized space would remain so.

I'm not all that knowledgeable about park design so I'm only speaking from my own experience. There just was no interest in those particular two attractions.

If it’s just something more people want to experience then it doesn’t have available capacity. That’s precisely the problem at Disney’s Hollywood Studios, most everything is already slammed. You also start running into the problem of induced demand. People would also lose interest in Pirates of the Caribbean if it was just allowed to sit and rot.

Good attractions for providing available capacity are ones that won’t track big wait time jumps because they’re are efficient and can absorb people. Things on a clear cycle like shows or even the Riverboat aren’t something people want to wait multiple cycles for, but they will be utilized closer to show time.

Parks also need a mix of different things. Parks with just enough to do don’t work and become known as “half day” parks because just technically having enough things means people have to do things in which they have no interest. It’s how you get Disney’s California Adventure and Walt Disney Studios Park. It also means there is a push towards coasters because they’re the most cost effective addition in terms of appeal and demand. Many staples of the Disney park experience don’t make sense on paper in isolation.

 

[Chi84]

If it’s just something more people want to experience then it doesn’t have available capacity. That’s precisely the problem at Disney’s Hollywood Studios, most everything is already slammed. You also start running into the problem of induced demand. People would also lose interest in Pirates of the Caribbean if it was just allowed to sit and rot.

Good attractions for providing available capacity are ones that won’t track big wait time jumps because they’re are efficient and can absorb people. Things on a clear cycle like shows or even the Riverboat aren’t something people want to wait multiple cycles for, but they will be utilized closer to show time.

Parks also need a mix of different things. Parks with just enough to do don’t work and become known as “half day” parks because just technically having enough things means people have to do things in which they have no interest. It’s how you get Disney’s California Adventure and Walt Disney Studios Park. It also means there is a push towards coasters because they’re the most cost effective addition in terms of appeal and demand. Many staples of the Disney park experience don’t make sense on paper in isolation.

But if people haven’t been visiting those attractions when headliners go down, what makes you think they will start doing it now?

I suppose Disney could have revamped those two attractions to make them more exciting but my guess is they didn’t think it would help. They were allowed to decline because of lack of use, not the other way around.

It’s hard to reconcile what I read here with what’s being said on the other threads as to what kind of capacity MK needs.

The parks were designed in a different age when the pace of life was more relaxed. Whether Disney’s decisions drove changes in guests’ expectations or guests’ changing expectations led to Disney’s decisions is an open debate that will likely never be agreed upon.

 

[rle4lunch]

But if people haven’t been visiting those attractions when headliners go down, what makes you think they will start doing it now?

I suppose Disney could have revamped those two attractions to make them more exciting but my guess is they didn’t think it would help. They were allowed to decline because of lack of use, not the other way around.

It’s hard to reconcile what I read here with what’s being said on the other threads as to what kind of capacity MK needs.

The parks were designed in a different age when the pace of life was more relaxed. Whether Disney’s decisions drove changes in guests’ expectations or guests’ changing expectations led to Disney’s decisions is an open debate that will likely never be agreed upon.

How in the world could you plus up the steamboat? The only way would be to do something with the river bank scenes I guess. TSI would be much easier to enhance. But if you were to plus up the river bank scenes you're basically adding another Jungle Cruise ride.

I dunno. I don't see how they could've saved it really. I rode it twice last month. There 'may' have been 12 people on board with me each time.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

It’s not word play. You’re just not being honest with yourself.

Two attractions are being destroyed. They are being destroyed so they can be replaced by 4 attractions. 4 Attractions that will have higher capacities and far higher utilization and popularity. It will also include Significant increases in walkable areas as well as multiple additional new food/beverage and merchandise locations. That is an expansion.

Actually, if you expand your time horizons just a bit to remember ones Disney has cut, there are 5 attractions we are losing/have lost: Richard F Irvine (Liberty Belle), Admiral Joe Fowler, TSI, canoes, & keel boats.

 

[mattpeto]

It’s not word play. You’re just not being honest with yourself.

Two attractions are being destroyed. They are being destroyed so they can be replaced by 4 attractions. 4 Attractions that will have higher capacities and far higher utilization and popularity. It will also include Significant increases in walkable areas as well as multiple additional new food/beverage and merchandise locations. That is an expansion.

I hope they add another nightime show (or vantage point) from Villains Land. Could we count that as a 5th attraction if so?

 

[mattpeto]

Actually, if you expand your time horizons just a bit to remember ones Disney has cut, there are 5 attractions we are losing/have lost: Richard F Irvine (Liberty Belle), Admiral Joe Fowler, TSI, canoes, & keel boats.

All stuff that couldn't survive for one reason or another.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

How in the world could you plus up the steamboat?

Look at what was done to Disneyland when Galaxy's Edge was added

Disneyland Paris is currently adding more scenes to their Rivers of the Far West

The boat itself may stay the same, but the route and scenery can be altered.

Or you give other methods of navigating the same area, like the canoes and keelboats did.

 

[peter11435]

Actually, if you expand your time horizons just a bit to remember ones Disney has cut, there are 5 attractions we are losing/have lost: Richard F Irvine (Liberty Belle), Admiral Joe Fowler, TSI, canoes, & keel boats.

I don’t think it’s fair to go back decades here. Honestly the fact that so many river attractions have closed over the years and they still can’t fill the riverboat is a good indication of the waning popularity for those attractions.

 

[flyerjab]

Fantasmic!

(And it wouldn't hurt to bring back Jedi Academy)

With the size of Galaxy’s Edge you could do two of these. Bring back the Jedi Academy for one. Then you could even do a Sith experience on the other end near the Empire’s shuttle.

I am way more on board with what Disney is doing these days. The one thing I wish they would reintroduce is streetmosphere. I loved all that and really felt like it livened up the parks.

 

[SamusAranX]

Replacements can increase capacity. That doesn’t make them expansions. They still REPLACED existing attractions.

This is desperate.

Not to mention filling the capacity holes left by rotting space (looking at you Stitch)

 

[Casper Gutman]

But if people haven’t been visiting those attractions when headliners go down, what makes you think they will start doing it now?

Not every attraction has to be packed all the time. That would make for a MISERABLE experience. You need slack.

Also - and pardon me if I’m remembering incorrectly - you don’t wait in lines, do you? That may skew your perspective.

I suppose Disney could have revamped those two attractions to make them more exciting but my guess is they didn’t think it would help. They were allowed to decline because of lack of use, not the other way around.

This is a gross oversimplification at best. If Disney wanted people to use TSI it would have been the easiest thing in the world to make happen. Stick a couple meet n greets out there and the rafts are at capacity. Paris is currently plussing their riverboat in a wonderful way.

Everyone here KNOWS Disney is very sophisticated in the ways it makes crowds go where they want. Everyone here knows about weenies and which way crowds flow based on age. But when it comes to “underused” attractions, suddenly a lot of posters forget all that.

It’s hard to reconcile what I read here with what’s being said on the other threads as to what kind of capacity MK needs.

MK does not have a space problem. It has huge amounts of expansion space. It has abandoned space IN THE PARK - Stitch, Terrace, Tortuga, etc. - something certain posters (not you) keep trying to dodge. Their is NO NEED to eliminate the second most iconic geographic feature of the park, something aesthetically and thematically integral to three major attractions, to increase capacity.

Remember, Disney ANNOUNCED a massive “Beyond Thunder Mountain” expansion that would have preserved Rivers. They shifted because of MONEY.

The parks were designed in a different age when the pace of life was more relaxed. Whether Disney’s decisions drove changes in guests’ expectations or guests’ changing expectations led to Disney’s decisions is an open debate that will likely never be agreed upon.

These kind of sweeping cultural and historical platitudes are ALWAYS nonsense based on nothing.

Disney has agency. Almost everything that happens in the park happens because they want it to or, at least, they let it. The constant attempt to erase Disneys agency to shield them from responsibility is very frustrating.

 

[Chi84]

Not every attraction has to be packed all the time. That would make for a MISERABLE experience. You need slack.

Also - and pardon me if I’m remembering incorrectly - you don’t wait in lines, do you? That may skew your perspective.

This is a gross oversimplification at best. If Disney wanted people to use TSI it would have been the easiest thing in the world to make happen. Stick a couple meet n greets out there and the rafts are at capacity. Paris is currently plussing their riverboat in a wonderful way.

Everyone here KNOWS Disney is very sophisticated in the ways it makes crowds go where they want. Everyone here knows about weenies and which way crowds flow based on age. But when it comes to “underused” attractions, suddenly a lot of posters forget all that.

MK does not have a space problem. It has huge amounts of expansion space. It has abandoned space IN THE PARK - Stitch, Terrace, Tortuga, etc. - something certain posters (not you) keep trying to dodge. Their is NO NEED to eliminate the second most iconic geographic feature of the park, something aesthetically and thematically integral to three major attractions, to increase capacity.

Remember, Disney ANNOUNCED a massive “Beyond Thunder Mountain” expansion that would have preserved Rivers. They shifted because of MONEY.

These kind of sweeping cultural and historical platitudes are ALWAYS nonsense based on nothing.

Disney has agency. Almost everything that happens in the park happens because they want it to or, at least, they let it. The constant attempt to erase Disneys agency to shield them from responsibility is very frustrating.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

Of course Disney has agency but it makes the decisions it does based on data and analysis, costs and other factors. I doubt it decided to remove these two attractions for no reason whatsoever.

I can understand disagreeing with Disney’s decisions but many posters are suggesting ways that Disney could have kept attractions it clearly decided against keeping.

 

[Chi84]

Also - and pardon me if I’m remembering incorrectly - you don’t wait in lines, do you?

Yep, I’m the one.

 

[Incomudro]

I don’t remember people arguing for years that these areas should go. Most who didn’t care for them just skipped them.

Oh, there are people who have argued the Tree House should go too.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

No, I think they made the right call here. They never let any non-car character interact with the car characters. The worlds are entirely separate.

never explicitly suggested having them crossover (and I wouldn't have anyway).

all of which only compounds my point: there was zero need to slap Woodlore's name onto this "new" character of theirs, and it reeks of desperate fanservice to get the people opposed to this move (for good reason) onboard

 

[RS Carlson]

I'm new to this blog. What does "IP" mean?

 

[Delta-7]

I'm new to this blog. What does "IP" mean?

Intellectual Property

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I'm new to this blog. What does "IP" mean?

IP is the catch-all term for Disney branded stuffs, characters, movies, etc. Welcome to the forum! Though like college football teams, you have to pick a side now. It's the rules. Pro or against? You can't switch later. Keep in mind that whatever you choose, will alienate at least 50% right off the bat. No pressure.

So what's your thoughts on the Piston Peak Cars-themed area?