News Disney Parks Chief Josh D'Amaro Says Pricing Model Aims to Keep Vacations Affordable for Families

networkpro

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Affordable is a subjective term. Affordable to go on vacation while the same ones crying go out to eat several times a week, enroll their kids in afterschool enrichment sessions, send children to expensive private schools , buy cars they know they can’t afford and shop for luxury goods just to try and impress others ? Just described some in my neighborhood that say going on vacation etc etc. It is interesting to note that 75% of luxury goods buyers are from the middle class. These middle class folks will stay middle class.

Aspiration spending funded by available lines of credit. Those are the types that will never be able to retire. For example last year 53% of "luxury" cars are leased, 34% live in rental housing and foreclosures are trending upwards in those markets that were formerly booming.
 
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JD80

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Well, it doesn’t seem like this user wants to grapple with or confront the subject of this thread - whether Disney is any longer an affordable vacation - so they react that way. I presume your family friend has the income to pay for a trip to the US for its theme parks, and it’s telling they’re converting to a Universal family in terms of what you get for your admission.

WDW is still affordable for many, however you're not getting what you used to. (I wrote an article on TP about it)

Just considering hotel and park tickets, 1 week, June, 4 park tickets. 2025 All Star stay is equivalent to a 2014 CBR stay which are both about $500 cheaper than a 1994 stay at the Poly.

It's when you start adding in LL, MB, Extra Park Hours, Magical Express is where the costs start going up a lot. Another cost multiplier are tickets. Value and Mod resorts are relatively flat over the last 30 years (Values are +$30, Mods are +$100 for 1994 to 2025)
 

monothingie

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WDW is still affordable for many, however you're not getting what you used to. (I wrote an article on TP about it)

Just considering hotel and park tickets, 1 week, June, 4 park tickets. 2025 All Star stay is equivalent to a 2014 CBR stay which are both about $500 cheaper than a 1994 stay at the Poly.

It's when you start adding in LL, MB, Extra Park Hours, Magical Express is where the costs start going up a lot. Another cost multiplier are tickets. Value and Mod resorts are relatively flat over the last 30 years (Values are +$30, Mods are +$100 for 1994 to 2025)
Now factor in options outside the bubble which didn’t exist in 2005 and were bolstered dramatically when Disney foolishly eliminated DME.

What you don’t account for is that with more choices available to visitors, affordability now ties much more heavily into perceived value.

The values and moderates have always been much more competitive than the deluxe level resorts. The upper pricing limit for those tier hotels has always been fixed, due to competition, which is the only reason why the prices were raised proportionally less than the deluxe level resorts.

With the elimination of perks at the lower level tiers, the incentive to stay on property disappears. Families derive more value in a better experience by staying elsewhere outside the Disney bubble. It’s the reason why they have Fire sale promotions at the values this summer, it’s why the values and moderates are empty, and it’s why people are bypassing Disney entirely. All of this was self-inflicted and the end result of garbage management and strategic planning.
 

Baloo124

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The new American way instant gratification---- don't worry about tomorrow
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I am NOT trying to suggest this is wise advice for today's world. I wouldn't recommend anyone follow it if you want to live comfortably. Just pointing out this mindset is nothing new or exclusively American.
 

Lilofan

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I am NOT trying to suggest this is wise advice for today's world. I wouldn't recommend anyone follow it if you want to live comfortably. Just pointing out this mindset is nothing new or exclusively American.
The number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA is medical debt. In Canada one would ask - what’s medical debt ? In our busy lives generally folks worry about a lot of things in their current lives. When faced with a serious medical condition that same person generally worries about only one thing and all other issues in their life takes a backseat.
 

Minnesota disney fan

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The number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA is medical debt. In Canada one would ask - what’s medical debt ? In our busy lives generally folks worry about a lot of things in their current lives. When faced with a serious medical condition that same person generally worries about only one thing and all other issues in their life takes a backseat.
I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
 

Lilofan

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I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
ABI American Bankruptcy Institute Survey , health care costs number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
It’s real estate, consumer credit and college debt

And they’re all going off the charts with no way to realistically pay them
 

Lilofan

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I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
Are you aware? of costs for a loved one to be in assisted living / nursing home etc, continual rehab at home/ outpatient facility after being released from the hospital , etc . I assure you insurance will not take care of what you thing they cover.
 

LSLS

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I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
Not to go down the rabbit hole, but it's actually completely true. Harvard study showed 62% of all personal bankruptcy cases were due to medical expenses, despite most having insurance. It's not hard to have that happen. My child was born in the first week of January. Since we had miscarriages before, we had all sorts of testing/checks/etc. from about 15 weeks on. Medical insurance had a max out of pocket at $5k. BUT, that resets the first of the year. Long story short despite medical insurance, we ended up paying $9k over the course of about 6 months WITH insurance. Anyone with family members with medical issues will easily owe $5k a year in medical on just their out of pocket max, not including other family members. AND, lets add another fun one from a friend who was going off about this to me literally 2 weeks ago. Screenings are covered by insurance. But diagnostics are not. So, the mammogram was covered 100%. When they felt something and wanted the X-Ray or MRI (sorry, not something I know a ton about), that was considered diagnostic, and fell to your deductibles and out of pocket maximums. Plenty more I could on with (had a family member who was having some sort of issues with their legs where they could not get out of bed, the ER sent them to an inpatient facility, and insurance would only cover 1 week. They could not figure out the issue or fix it, but after 1 week, insurance says you pay yourself or you go home. Unable to get out of bed and with doctors having NO idea why yet, needing a nervous system specialist to help who couldn't get there til the next week).
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Not to go down the rabbit hole, but it's actually completely true. Harvard study showed 62% of all personal bankruptcy cases were due to medical expenses, despite most having insurance. It's not hard to have that happen. My child was born in the first week of January. Since we had miscarriages before, we had all sorts of testing/checks/etc. from about 15 weeks on. Medical insurance had a max out of pocket at $5k. BUT, that resets the first of the year. Long story short despite medical insurance, we ended up paying $9k over the course of about 6 months WITH insurance. Anyone with family members with medical issues will easily owe $5k a year in medical on just their out of pocket max, not including other family members. AND, lets add another fun one from a friend who was going off about this to me literally 2 weeks ago. Screenings are covered by insurance. But diagnostics are not. So, the mammogram was covered 100%. When they felt something and wanted the X-Ray or MRI (sorry, not something I know a ton about), that was considered diagnostic, and fell to your deductibles and out of pocket maximums. Plenty more I could on with (had a family member who was having some sort of issues with their legs where they could not get out of bed, the ER sent them to an inpatient facility, and insurance would only cover 1 week. They could not figure out the issue or fix it, but after 1 week, insurance says you pay yourself or you go home. Unable to get out of bed and with doctors having NO idea why yet, needing a nervous system specialist to help who couldn't get there til the next week).
No doubt medical expense/debt is a huge issue…

But medical bankruptcies aren’t the largest source of debt…it’s just the most catastrophic form…which is honestly ridiculous
 

Lilofan

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Not to go down the rabbit hole, but it's actually completely true. Harvard study showed 62% of all personal bankruptcy cases were due to medical expenses, despite most having insurance. It's not hard to have that happen. My child was born in the first week of January. Since we had miscarriages before, we had all sorts of testing/checks/etc. from about 15 weeks on. Medical insurance had a max out of pocket at $5k. BUT, that resets the first of the year. Long story short despite medical insurance, we ended up paying $9k over the course of about 6 months WITH insurance. Anyone with family members with medical issues will easily owe $5k a year in medical on just their out of pocket max, not including other family members. AND, lets add another fun one from a friend who was going off about this to me literally 2 weeks ago. Screenings are covered by insurance. But diagnostics are not. So, the mammogram was covered 100%. When they felt something and wanted the X-Ray or MRI (sorry, not something I know a ton about), that was considered diagnostic, and fell to your deductibles and out of pocket maximums. Plenty more I could on with (had a family member who was having some sort of issues with their legs where they could not get out of bed, the ER sent them to an inpatient facility, and insurance would only cover 1 week. They could not figure out the issue or fix it, but after 1 week, insurance says you pay yourself or you go home. Unable to get out of bed and with doctors having NO idea why yet, needing a nervous system specialist to help who couldn't get there til the next week).
Yes I concur. Also an ABI survey noted that out of the 2 million bankruptcies filed annually , 62% of the 2 million is due to medical debt.
 

Ayla

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I don't know where you get that statement about the number one debt in the US is medical?
If you lived here, you would know that most everyone has medical insurance, and those that can't afford it have medical care too. It isn't like everyone here is under debt from medical bills. And yes, we do worry about our loved ones who need medical care, knowing that our insurance will take care of most if not all costs.
Yeah, I hate to point out the obvious, but it is an incredibly privileged (and wrong) position to say "most everyone has medical insurance, etc", which is not remotely true.

Even with insurance, Americans can have crippling amounts of medical debt.
 

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