MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Timothy_Q]

The spinner was also moved from being on the farther end closest to BTM to now being in the "middle" section, right across the entrance to the main ride, which I think is better layout-wise

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

The new art also looks like a shortened track to make room for the water.

And the disappearance of the second attraction from the previous concept art.

 

[Casper Gutman]

What is pictured looks better than the current dilapidated remains of a 1971 walkthrough…

TSI is dated af.

Please explain exactly what you mean by “dated.”

 

[LittleBuford]

They look very much like the exact same layout - the thin strip of water is hidden by the mountain and trees in the more “realistic” map.

But it definitely didn't join up with the waterfall, whereas now it does. That to me suggests at least some sort of revision.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It didn't look that bad at all 6 years ago when I was last there, but if it has gotten worse since then, it's only because Disney didn't want to spend any $$ on upkeep. If Disney was making money from TSI like they most likely will with Cars, it would be well maintained. But every inch of every park has to be generating revenue now for Disney, or it will be replaced with something that will.

Of course it does. It did in 1971 when you bought a ticket for each attraction, too. But, everything was new then. Now it isn’t. And if it’s old and empty, even Walt would’ve removed it.

Cars wouldn’t be my choice for replacement but a replacement is appropriate.

 

[Purduevian]

Ride layout doesn't look too exciting.

 

[WorldExplorer]

They already used up their "we can do better, I swear!" card with me when they boasted about making something better than Splash Mountain than gave us Tiana's.

• Frontierland's new theme is "chasing your dream in the American wilderness and writing your own folktale." Yes, it's that whole sentence, and yes, it's way more complicated than it needs to be, but this is modern Disney.
  • Some examples from Disney:
    • The Country Bears are "trying to make it big in the human world and trying to become big stars."
    • Big Thunder Mountain Railroad- "people travelled west in search of gold and creating their own legends"
    • Tiana's Bayou Adventure - she went into "the American wilderness achieve her dreams and to create her own folktale"
    • Cars- characters are "off the beaten path trying to achieve glory and the fastest lap in the west"
      • "The fastest lap in the west" is a phrase that will be used heavily in the new attraction

"Characters with goals" is not a theme. That's almost everything. Stretching the theme so it's so wide it fits everything is not better than poorly following a real theme (especially when you need to force something largely story-less into it, e.g. Country Bears). So if we plunk Stitch in here it's okay because he dreams of finding a family and ventures into the Hawaiian wilderness to find it?

(That would actually be less stupid.)

If the argument is that the wilderness part is what matters then why are we bothering with this crap?

And randomly slapping the label "folk tale" on a generic, painfully boring story you just made up doesn't suddenly make it themed.

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• The official locations of the occupants of the Rivers of America are:
  • Haunted Mansion: Upstate New York and the Hudson River Valley
  • Liberty Square: Colonial America
  • The Diamond Horseshoe: The Midwest, specifically St. Louis
  • Tom Sawyer's Island: Missouri
  • The Country Bear Jamboree: The North Woods
  • Pecos Bill: The Southwest States
  • Tiana's Bayou Adventure: New Orleans
  • Big Thunder Mountain: The West & Arizona
  • Cars: The Rocky Mountains

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No one's going to read your essay about how this all makes sense before they walk in, Disney.

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• "The storytelling is not the setting" Disney says, comparing Cars in Frontierland to Avatar in Animal Kingdom, implying that they're going to make it work in the same way

Just pick things that actually fit from the get go! Good grief, this shouldn't be that hard! You won't have to twist into pretzels and try and assure people you know what you're doing if you don't start out with a giant neon sign that says "TERRIBLE IDEA".

• Imagineering looked for a setting missing from MK's riverfront, going with the Rocky Mountains as it's a lush setting that will be unique but also fit in with Liberty Square
• The main inspirations are National Parks and "Disney animated wilderness" since "this is Magic Kingdom"
  • Architecture will look like real National Parks but also classic Mickey cartoons? There will be cartoon elements

*Tears down totally normal trees in totally normal looking wilderness that've been part of the park for over 50 years*

" It's gotta be based on animated films because that's just what you do in Magic Kingdom."

No, no it's not!

• As you progress into the Cars world, the geysers will slowly and subtly transform to look more like things like tire treads

Still stupid.

• There will be lots of water, Imagineering heard everyone loud and clear.
  • There's essentially a river around the attraction (judging by the art, it's a crescent moon shape starting by the Mansion going all the way around to BTM)
  • There will be several new bodies of water (waterfalls, ponds, geysers, etc.)
  • Images provided are not to scale. as it's a kid's Fun Map a la Disneyland's, but just for this area
• You can now walk from Big Thunder to Haunted Mansion (as speculated)
  • This was done in preparation for Villain's Land, which will be behind Cars and BTM
• WDI spent several minutes talking about how sightlines are very important to this project and Frontierland as a whole
  • The piston shaped peaks are going to be completely hidden from the hub and Liberty Square.
  • WDI shared a virtual walkthrough of the back path by Haunted Mansion
  • You could see beautiful rockwork with waterfalls on the path
  • WDI compared Tokyo DisneySea's Mount Prometheus to this project- they put lush green hills on the side of Prometheus seen from Cape Cod since there aren't volcanoes in Massachusetts
  • The Liberty Square side of Cars will look completely different from the other side
  • There's a big waterfall feature
  • Views of Cars will be obscured from Big Thunder Mountain as well

You could avoid all that if you just didn't start off with a painfully stupid idea.

Maybe if you need to hide your entire ride and the sounds it makes you just shouldn't have greenlit it?

• The preshow will have a new original character in AA form- Ranger J. Autobon Woodlore, based on Ranger J. Audubon Woodlore from the Humphrey the Bear cartoons (and while not mentioned, he's also the ranger for Disneyland's former land Bear Country). He will tell the history and lore of Piston Peak and why guests are there for a race

Oh a reference to themselves. It just never gets old, apparently.

• Former Imagineers pitched plans to Disney that laid the Cars attraction in a way that kept the river and riverboat, but the riverboat will not be kept in Magic Kingdom despite there being some form of a river where the current river is (the river will likely not be wide enough to safely fit the riverboat)
• Based on what Disney showed the media, they went out of their way to address the sightlines, sound, and storytelling concerns people have, and why they think Cars will work and in the best interest of most guests. It also sounds like they actually took fan feedback into consideration and changed plans accordingly (they added more water to the project, for example, keeping some form of a river in Frontierland)

Again, maybe start off on a non stupid note? That would REALLY please the fans!


"You're just impossible to please!" Yes, actually, there is no possible way to make Cars in Frontierland not stupid. I am 100% impossible to placate on this.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Please explain exactly what you mean by “dated.”

You walk through and say, “this feels like it was built in 1971 and left there.”

 

[Casper Gutman]

You walk through and say, “this feels like it was built in 1971 and left there.”

What feels like “1971?”

 

[Ayla]

That’s not really what they said

I guess you didn't read the post, because that is exactly what WDI said.

 

[LittleBuford]

Please explain exactly what you mean by “dated.”

You walk through and say, “this feels like it was built in 1971 and left there.”

It certainly isn't the sort of thing they'd build now. That's no bad thing; quite the opposite.

 

[doctornick]

But it definitely didn't join up with the waterfall, whereas now it does. That to me suggests at least some sort of revision.

This. The original artwork doesn't seem to have any water immediately in front of CBJ/Diamond Horseshow/Liberty Belle dock. All the water near there is "inside" the Cars area with the Cars ride going around it.

 

[KatiebugFan]

I mean ruined may be a bit hyperbolic. They aren’t putting a landfill next to the Mansion. But the sightlines will be different, you’ll be seeing a guest path, and a national park in the distance.

Could be a cool moment for them to build some gardens for the mansion on that buffer zone, like in Disneyland.

How dare you call people on here hyperbolic, that is the dumbest thing I heard in the history of ever!!!!! This is not the time for clear thinking and measured responses. It time for irrational actions and for freaking that the sky is falling!!!.

 

[JD80]

You walk through and say, “this feels like it was built in 1971 and left there.”

Before or after you get a concussion walking through the escape tunnel?

 

[Casper Gutman]

But it definitely didn't join up with the waterfall, whereas now it does. That to me suggests at least some sort of revision.

I think it may have. The realistic art is ambiguous, but it seems the waterfall feeds into a stream that that runs between the mountain and track before connecting to the stream running past Bears.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What feels like “1971?”

Every damn step you take. And it feels like it was abandoned since then. Just about everything is broken. The caves are dangerous.

Check out the Ft. Langhorn AAs and get back to me. It’s not charming like the Tiki Room. I’ve seen more realistic AAs at Spirit Halloween.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

How dare you call people on here hyperbolic, that is the dumbest thing I heard in the history of ever!!!!! This is not the time for clear thinking and measured responses. It time for irrational actions and for freaking that the sky is falling!!!.

Which Katiebug are you again?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It didn't look that bad at all 6 years ago when I was last there, but if it has gotten worse since then, it's only because Disney didn't want to spend any $$ on upkeep. If Disney was making money from TSI like they most likely will with Cars, it would be well maintained. But every inch of every park has to be generating revenue now for Disney, or it will be replaced with something that will.

We went last year and thought TSI was still pretty well maintained - simple animatronics were working, the guns all worked and made noise, etc

Now I think it is "dated" as it is not a modern attraction and definitely not ADA compliant, but it was in solid shape

 

[Disstevefan1]

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Ride layout doesn't look too exciting.

What does the colors mean?

 

[Casper Gutman]

This. The original artwork doesn't seem to have any water immediately in front of CBJ/Diamond Horseshow/Liberty Belle dock. All the water near there is "inside" the Cars area with the Cars ride going around it.

I think it definitely did. Note the bridge by the mountain. You can even see hints of a boardwalk, just like the cartoon. The stream is so tiny, however, that it’s obscured by its surroundings.