Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

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DKampy

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It is interesting to me….Ugh Disney is adding a premiere pass… they are such money grabbers….and then I need to buy a Universal express pass
 
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Eric Graham

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lentesta said:
At Epic or in general? I don't think there's 50% Express Pass right now. I would be surprised if it's 20%.

I did a VIP tour on Saturday and the lines were already dropping by the time we were done.

Let me check our data and ask my UOR people about wait-time padding. I know they've been working on several new ways of doing that. And it's not the same thing as the upcoming addition of Express Pass to Hagrid's.
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am i correct that you work for the WSJ...if so, their analysis of stocks is often pretty spot on...i'll bet that the VIP tour was amazing!
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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Are we quite certain they are already selling max capacity? There’s a discrete difference between ticket volumes between June 30/July 1.
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

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lentesta said:
At Epic or in general? I don't think there's 50% Express Pass right now. I would be surprised if it's 20%.

I did a VIP tour on Saturday and the lines were already dropping by the time we were done.

Let me check our data and ask my UOR people about wait-time padding. I know they've been working on several new ways of doing that. And it's not the same thing as the upcoming addition of Express Pass to Hagrid's.
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At Epic... I'm trying to figure out a rough estimate of how many people are in the park based on wait times, capacity, Express pass capacity, and your 46=60% are on rides/in line rule.
 
SplashJacket

SplashJacket

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Tom Morrow said:
Kind of weird that they jumped from light crowds to jam packed almost overnight. I thought it would steadily ramp up to this.
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The difference between “this place is dead” to “this place is slammed” is not that big for capacity constrained systems.

The difference between a busy day and a slammed day is even smaller.

Then people wonder why parks like Disney want reservations, AP restrictions, dynamic pricing, etc. A slight attendance shift can have dramatic effects on park experience, and more control gives more opportunity for mitigation.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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SplashJacket said:
The difference between “this place is dead” to “this place is slammed” is not that big for capacity constrained systems.

The difference between a busy day and a slammed day is even smaller.
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Ah, yes. The "tipping point."

Consider a park with just one ride that can throughput 1,000 people per hour...

Now, if anywhere from 1 to 1,000 people show up per hour, there will be no line.​
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But once you get more than 1,000 people per hour showing up, a line will develop.​
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If, using this example, 1,100 people show up per hour, then at the end of the first hour, there will be 100 people in line. At the end of the second hour, there will be 200. And so on. After 10 hours, there will be a line of 1,000 people.​

So, if EU has a throughput capacity of 15,000 people per hour, then if 20,000 people show up in the first hour, then there will be 5,000 stuck in queues. And if those who get off of a ride jump into the queue of another ride, the number of people in the queues will stay the same. And if another 5,000 show up by lunch time, then there will be 10,000 people in queues.

Once the capacity of the throughput of the rides is passed (the 'tipping point'), the queues will only grow as more and more people arrive and will not subside until people leave (or take a break to eat their peanut butter sandwiches they brought into the park).
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

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Estimating ~16,500 people in lines right now (not including the 2 shows). Which is about 500 people more than when I was looking at it yesterday ~1:45pm. Although I got ~18,000 at 4:15pm
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lentesta

lentesta

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Dranth said:
After doing some digging, it doesn't look most of the increased waits yesterday were due to more guests, but rather just a bad parks ops day.
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It was a BAD PARK OPS DAY.

Purduevian said:
At Epic... I'm trying to figure out a rough estimate of how many people are in the park based on wait times, capacity, Express pass capacity, and your 46=60% are on rides/in line rule.
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I mean, I was told ~16,500-ish is the max they want, maybe with some ramp-up since last week.

I was also told they're not planning on a significant ramp up before August. I imagine that could change if ride performance improves.

I was told (by park ops) that Ministry opened last week with ~5 of 17 ride vehicles operating at once, so ~500 guests/hour. And I think they were at 10 vehicles, so 1000 guests/hour yesterday.
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

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lentesta said:
It was a BAD PARK OPS DAY.



I mean, I was told ~16,500-ish is the max they want, maybe with some ramp-up since last week.

I was also told they're not planning on a significant ramp up before August. I imagine that could change if ride performance improves.

I was told (by park ops) that Ministry opened last week with ~5 of 17 ride vehicles operating at once, so ~500 guests/hour. And I think they were at 10 vehicles, so 1000 guests/hour yesterday.
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I'm always impressed at the amount of data you have. Combining the insider knowledge, asking the right people at the right time questions, and physically sending people to parks to count really gives you a very unique perspective on the operations of the park.

Other than BATM, I assume everything else is running "Max" capacity when it is open as far as you know?
 
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DKampy

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celluloid said:
Who said you need to?

I don't think anyone blames a business for being a business.
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I certainly was not blaming anyone… they can choose to do what they want…. It is just I see complaints about the Disney premiere Pass… while not so much with Universals express… sometimes it feels like a double standard… although I was not calling anyone out…I feel if there is demand it is a smart business decision… although I do not think either is worth it for myself…. Unless I stay onsite at Universal and get the free express with my stay
 

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