MK Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

[eddie104]

Walt Disney Studios Park.

I thought we were talking about WDW not Paris.

 

[UNCgolf]

I thought we were talking about WDW not Paris.

If it was developed as an E ticket it was developed as an E ticket. That doesn't change because it was built again somewhere else.

 

[Stupido]

And when they do, people trash it. Na'vi River Journey is a very good (I'd say great) C ticket, but people hate it because it isn't a D or E.

Mermaid too, although the queue does set high expectations.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Mermaid too, although the queue does set high expectations.

The Little Mermaid is a D Ticket with budget of an E Ticket that is defended as a C Ticket.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Shame they ran that IP into the ground.

Nah they did it when The Void was a thing at one point at Disney Springs ..

 

[Agent H]

When there are few QS options to choose from, of course it is going to be busy. Lack of options doesn't equal popular. The food is awful.

Of course the food is awful but if there are a ton of people going then yeah it’s popular. Whether it deserves it is another matter.

 

[UNCgolf]

Mermaid too, although the queue does set high expectations.

I think Mermaid is probably a D ticket, quality aside. It's longer and on a larger scale than NRJ, even putting aside the queue.

 

[Moth]

And when they do, people trash it. Na'vi River Journey is a very good (I'd say great) C ticket, but people hate it because it isn't a D or E.

Na'vi is interesting because I feel the reception largely comes from the waits it usually demands, which is because Pandora lacks an extra attraction or so and AK as a whole lacks C or D tier attractions.

 

[Brer Panther]

So basically, the only attractions we can add to the Disney parks are E-Tickets and flat rides. That seems to be Iger's motto.

Elio does have a suspicious lack of marketing thus far, I wouldn’t know about it if I wasn’t on these boards.

Didn't Strange World have an incredible lack of marketing, too? And we all saw how THAT turned out... although I did see it in theaters.

Sugar Rush with electric cars and tons of set pieces really really should have happened...since they clearly are not going to tie Tron into anything....

The sequel has Vanellope abandon Sugar Rush because she finds it boring, maybe that's why they don't want to do a Sugar Rush retheme of the speedway?

TWDC would probably ask why heavily market Elio? An original animated film hasn’t earned $200M at the domestic box office since Coco in 2017.

To be fair, Strange World was poorly-marketed (as I just stated), but this is Disney, so they're obviously not going to admit they're at fault when a movie flops. The pandemic really made a mess of things - Onward probably would've done better had it not been released around the same time the pandemic started up.

Side note, Lightyear qualifies as a Toy Story movie, doesn't it? And it was a huge flop. Make of that what you will.

'Elemental' enters the conversation...

Elemental had everything going against it. Because everyone on the internet hates PIXAR now (was Cars 3 really that bad?), they immediately started talking about how bad Elemental looked and CLAIMING that it was going to flop. Fortunately some folks actually did give it a chance (myself included) and word of mouth helped it make at least a small profit.

I'm fairly convinced Bob (both of them) has been hell-bent on ruining anything original out of Pixar for years. 'Elio' could be a hit, but I don't think Bob gives a **** about it, because it isn't Marvel, Star Wars, or a Toy Story sequel. The most risk-averse CEO in the history of TWDC and it shows.

I've said this a lot, but Iger should've been shown the door a long time ago.

Out of curiosity I Googled "Disney Pixar sci-fi movies" to see what is considered part of that category. On the Disney website they list The Incredibles... wouldn't have come to mind as "sci-fi", but since they redid the Contemporary with them, they could be another contender if Tomorrowland gets an IP based update. This is all wild speculation to fill a grey rainy day of course, lol.

They've already had Incredibles dance parties in Tomorrowland, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they decided to put an Incredibles attraction in there.

Thing is, if it is a well designed attraction experience, IP doesn't really matter....like at all. There is no risk to putting in a really great ELio themed ride no matter how the box office does... I think a great attraction can also help bolster interest in the movie....
There are 4 parks in need of more attractions...the bigger risk is actually allowing anything in these parks to remain shuttered.....

If they thought the way you did, we'd probably have that Atlantis attraction at least in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Apparently Wish is the exception, though, because that's getting a float in Starlight.

Are Remy and the upcoming Carousel considered E tickets ?

Remy for all intents and purposes is. It's basically a simulator masquerading as a trackless dark ride.

 

[James Alucobond]

So basically, the only attractions we can add to the Disney parks are E-Tickets and flat rides. That seems to be Iger's motto.

I honestly think the trend predates him. There have been vanishingly few C-level dark rides in Florida in anything post-Magic Kingdom.

 

[UNCgolf]

I honestly think the trend predates him. There have been vanishingly few C-level dark rides in Florida in anything post-Magic Kingdom.

I've never really thought about it, but you're right. I think every ride in Future World was an E ticket -- the only C tickets in the park were El Rio del Tiempo and eventually Maelstrom in World Showcase (unless I'm forgetting something).

Disney-MGM was basically all E tickets from a ride standpoint too, both at opening and as they added new attractions (Star Tours is the only one that could maybe have been a D, but it was probably considered an E internally). I don't think current has anything that would fall into the C category either.

NRJ is the only one at DAK, and that's been around for less than a decade.

Magic Kingdom is the only other park that's added any C tickets in the past 30+ years with Winnie the Pooh and Space Ranger Spin.

 

[James Alucobond]

I've never really thought about it, but you're right. I think every ride in Future World was an E ticket -- the only C tickets in the park were El Rio del Tiempo and eventually Maelstrom in World Showcase (unless I'm forgetting something).

You could argue Seacabs, but they were part of a larger experience. I imagine they originally envisioned World Showcase as the place for such things, but very little of it was ever built. You basically end up with all of the parks leaning very heavily into E/D with a few flats, stage shows, tours, CircleVision, theaters, etc. as support. The middle mostly fell out.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Remy is a D ticket, here and at WDSP. IMHO. Not that it has any bearing on this thread.

 

[UNCgolf]

You could argue Seacabs, but they were part of a larger experience. I imagine they originally envisioned World Showcase as the place for such things, but very little of it was ever built. You basically end up with all of the parks leaning very heavily into E/D with a few flats, stage shows, tours, CircleVision, theaters, etc. as support. The middle mostly fell out.

Yeah, I've never considered the Seacabs a standalone attraction -- the pavilion was a whole unified experience; the Seacabs were just one part of the overall show. I think that's at least partially why Nemo is so bad; that space was never intended to function as an individual attraction.

 

[UNCgolf]

Remy is a D ticket, here and at WDSP. IMHO. Not that it has any bearing on this thread.

I'd call it a D too (and not an especially good one), but I also don't have trouble believing that Disney intended it to be an E.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I'd call it a D too (and not an especially good one), but I also don't have trouble believing that Disney intended it to be an E.

I would agree on the intent, as well. It’s cute for what it is. The experience is more “complete” in Paris due to looking into Chez Remy as you exit the ride vehicles. IMHO.

 

[Figments Friend]

The Chez Remy resturant should have been built in Florida as well as the duplicate version of the ‘Ratatouille’ Attraction.
Would have done very well at WDW, and it would have plussed up the area better.

Instead we get a crepe shack…yeah.

Anyone not familiar with Chez Remy needs to take a look on YouTube or elsewhere to explore this fun themed restaurant at Disneyland Paris.
Bon Appetite…!



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[HauntedPirate]

The Chez Remy resturant should have been built in Florida as well as the duplicate version of the ‘Ratatouille’ Attraction.
Would have done very well at WDW, and it would have plussed up the area better.

Instead we get a crepe shack…yeah.

Anyone not familiar with Chez Remy needs to take a look on YouTube or elsewhere to explore this fun themed restaurant at Disneyland Paris.
Bon Appetite…!



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Theming and environment is very good. The food wasn’t bad, either.

 

[Gusey]

So basically, the only attractions we can add to the Disney parks are E-Tickets and flat rides. That seems to be Iger's motto.

Even flat rides are few and far between, particularly at WDW. Off the top of my head, the only flat rides added to WDW in the 21st century is Alien Swirling Saucers and Tropical Americas Carousel. More shows have been added in the same period

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Even flat rides are few and far between, particularly at WDW. Off the top of my head, the only flat rides added to WDW in the 21st century is Alien Swirling Saucers and Tropical Americas Carousel. More shows have been added in the same period

Magic Carpets of Aladdin and Triceratop Spin as well.