News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous

[Epcot82Guy]

Epcot should be F&W. IDK what POE Tag is waiting for.....

I think there are arguments either way - and I think that supports the point. It's a matter of WHEN not IF for these. Plus, you could easily tie them into the SSE seasonal displays. Make it kind of a package thing, adding to the carry through of the EPCOT anthem into Luminous. It is one thing where they have cohesive theme from the redo in a very compelling way.

 

[stuart]

If there were changes, I would push for festival/holiday tags.

POE is a slam dunk waiting to happen. Heartbeat of Freedom goes right in line with the story (or any version of it). You could easily do a creative original one (or, ugh..., Disney medley) for F&W and F&G. A version of the EPCOT Tag for FOTA. They could also be reserved for weekends or certain days to save costs, if needed. You have a relatively easy way to plus the show and adjust those as needed.

Hopefully the Heartbeat of Freedom tag finale returns to the middle of the lagoon this year. It lost a lot of it's 'wow factor' being behind the American Adventure.

The hogmanay one just there i'm sure was over the middle of the lagoon.

 

[jrhwdw]

I think there are arguments either way - and I think that supports the point. It's a matter of WHEN not IF for these. Plus, you could easily tie them into the SSE seasonal displays. Make it kind of a package thing, adding to the carry through of the EPCOT anthem into Luminous. It is one thing where they have cohesive theme from the redo in a very compelling way.

I picked F&W because of Epcot's Birthday. Crazy that we haven't seen POE Tag since 2018! Epcot had to know it was popular.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I use to thought POE was an Illumination's ROE special especially that it hasn't returned so it was a thing revolving with the Earth Globe, however given now that Spaceship Earth is now a revolving Globe in itself it doesn't need it.

 

[Giss Neric]

If fans were able to bully Disney for HEA to return, then why can't they bully Disney for Illuminations 2.0? Does Luminous have a high customer satisfaction rate? From what I've been hearing from people who watched it personally, this show is quite polarizing.

 

[jrhwdw]

If fans were able to bully Disney for HEA to return, then why can't they bully Disney for Illuminations 2.0? Does Luminous have a high customer satisfaction rate? From what I've been hearing from people who watched it personally, this show is quite polarizing.

IDK if I like the word: Bully.....Esp if DE "had to go".........

It really didn't work at Epcot....We got Luminous after EF 2023 and still no Tags outside of July 4th/NYE

 

[TheMaxRebo]

If fans were able to bully Disney for HEA to return, then why can't they bully Disney for Illuminations 2.0? Does Luminous have a high customer satisfaction rate? From what I've been hearing from people who watched it personally, this show is quite polarizing.

For what it is worth, below are the ratings for the last three nighttime shows at EPCOT per Touring Plans. Luminous seems to be about equal to Illuminations (though that showed higher ratings amongst older guests whereas Illuminations is more evenly split) and both higher that Harmonius (though that did better with grade school kids)


I think the issue with Hamonious (more than just the ratings out of 5 stars) was the active complaints they got about the barges during the day and that the angles to properly see it weren't good for a lot of the upcharge viewing areas - dining areas (so restaurants complained), the private party areas, the firework cruises that parked over by the bridge to France, etc) - so there was a direct monetary impact

Harmonious doesn't have those issues and ratings seem good enough that it doesn't need to be replaced - tweaked, sure, but not replaced

 

[TTA94]

If there’s more planned than just a few song swaps I wonder if they might look to the new show coming to Paris. It appears somewhat similar in terms of fountains but it will also include water screens and drones. Hopefully add in fire effects as well. I know many on here believe drones=less fireworks. Question is could they operate drones in WSL safely? I feel like Epcot would be the safest park for drones over the others.

 

[Touchdown]

I feel like Epcot would be the safest park for drones over the others.

*Cough* Animal Kingdom *Cough*

Park a barge in the middle of the lake, add some fountains and flamethrowers/roman candles nearer the seating. Boom AK has a proper night show again. Keeping the drones to just AK makes that show unique and more desirable.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

If fans were able to bully Disney for HEA to return, then why can't they bully Disney for Illuminations 2.0? Does Luminous have a high customer satisfaction rate? From what I've been hearing from people who watched it personally, this show is

Some might say the normies today are about the familiar characters and IP. Oldies fandom and nerds would say "otherwise" keep Epcot, Epcot. Then there's the whole Iger/Chapek retransformation of Epcot with being more kid family friendly and Disney. I suppose Luminous gives out for us both.

Illumination's 2.0 isn't unlikely, had the budget for Harmonious been saved a much bigger Luminous or Illumination's 2.0 would fit the bill, if you don't have a Globe, you got Spacship Earth, however you can't do Illumination's greatness without the inferno erupting fire.

 

[gerarar]

DVC Moonlight Magic at Epcot was held the other night (4/30).

The 5-mins firework show was pretty much the same show as last year. No changes in terms of Luminous barges usage – all were used for lights and fountain effects.
An additional 2 WW3 barges and 4 regular barges were brought out to facilitate the pyro. Perimeters were also used again.

There were some standard pyro swaps compared to last year like different colored comets and mines. Some fans got subbed. The finale also felt like it had more booms and crackles, imo.

Timestamped livestream:

 

[marni1971]

DVC Moonlight Magic at Epcot was held the other night (4/30).

The 5-mins firework show was pretty much the same show as last year. No changes in terms of Luminous barges usage – all were used for lights and fountain effects.
An additional 2 WW3 barges and 4 regular barges were brought out to facilitate the pyro. Perimeters were also used again.

There were some standard pyro swaps compared to last year like different colored comets and mimes. Some fans got subbed. The finale also felt like it had more booms and crackles, imo.

Timestamped livestream:

I bet when they mixed that show for Epcots 30th they never thought it would get dragged out time and again.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I was lucky enough to able to get a glimpse of this from Riviera leaving there!

 

[wbostic12]

How close are we to having Luminous officially overtake Harmonious in number of performances? I’m pretty sure it’s less than a month at this point, but I’m pretty sure someone on this thread would know better than I.

 

[TTA94]

Sorry to bump this thread. What ever happened to the rumors of changes or song swaps?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Sorry to bump this thread. What ever happened to the rumors of changes or song swaps?

They really need to cut remember me - it slows everything down and has no pyro. Just cut it. I’m sure it was on the “must have this ip” list but it’s a snooze fest!

 

[gerarar]

They really need to cut remember me - it slows everything down and has no pyro. Just cut it. I’m sure it was on the “must have this ip” list but it’s a snooze fest!

I kinda disagree. It helps set the tone for the Sing Out segment (Into The Unknown & I See The Light). I also always hear people sniffling during the Loss segment (When She Loved Me & Remember Me duet).

Maybe swap out the songs to something else but the loss segment as a whole serves a greater purpose with the show's narrative.

I took like 8 first timers to Epcot last December and at least half of them were emotional by that part. So I would say it does it part despite the no pyro, but the fountains are overall cool as they dance with one another for the 50-something seconds.

 

[gerarar]

Sorry to bump this thread. What ever happened to the rumors of changes or song swaps?

It's probably in the same category as any ROTR rethemes. It's possible and plans are in some cabinet at WDI/DLE, but will only happen if push comes to shove.

We were lucky to get the Walt Disney Enchantment changes even tho the writing was on the wall for DE.

 

[Starship824]

I kinda disagree. It helps set the tone for the Sing Out segment (Into The Unknown & I see the Light). I also always hear people sniffling during the Loss segment (When She Loved Me & Remember Me duet).

Maybe swap out the songs to something else but the loss segment as a whole serves a greater purpose with the show's narrative.

I took like 8 first timers to Epcot last December and at least half of them were emotional by that part. So I would say it does it part despite the no pyro, but the fountains are overall cool as they dance with one another for the 50-something seconds.

I like that segment in theory but I just really hate that version of that song so it's hard for me to get invested, I actually think a simple piano version would be better, I really don't like the vocals but I'm probably in the minority in that.

Edit: fixed the insane amount of grammatical errors I had!

 

[easyrowrdw]

It's probably in the same category as any ROTR rethemes. It's possible and plans are in some cabinet at WDI/DLE, but will only happen if push comes to shove.

Out of curiosity I looked at passes for ROTR and there's nothing available for today or the following five days. At $20+ a pop and currently a 2-hour standby wait, I don't see any way they retheme the ride. It'd be nice if they would fix the broken effects though.