MK Hall of Presidents Replaced by Muppets American History Show???

[Agent H]

Large overhaul of Adventureland s being Joined angle Cruise, Tiki Room, Treehouse, etc replaced with, what appears to be an Update themed area and and Incredibles themed area

I really hate sounding so negative. I really do but this is just as bad an idea as replacing the rivers of America. And Incredibles doesn’t fit Adventureland at all.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Muppets is getting enough attention with replacing RnRc.. No offense to the Muppet purists, but they are past their prime as well.

In regards to HoP, yes, it's a bit tired, but if it could be structured a bit more like American Adventure, then it could be relevant again. I do think it's still valuable for kids 8-12 years old that are currently learning (or should I say, SHOULD be learning) in school to be able to connect some dots in their brains on things they've read about.

Muppets may be past their prime, but this is an attraction featuring Warren G Harding. Clearly this space doesn’t have to be the pinnacle of cultural relevance.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I really hate sounding so negative. I really do but this is just as bad an idea as replacing the rivers of America. And Incredibles doesn’t fit Adventureland at all.

I would say it’s objectively a bad idea. Trading four classic attractions for an Incredibles rollercoaster, Up playground, and Aquatopia clone is just insane. At least with the RoA it gets subjective but this is objectively an awful idea and I can’t wrap my head around how TOLC came to this conclusion

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Muppets may be past their prime, but this is an attraction featuring Warren G Harding. Clearly this space doesn’t have to be the pinnacle of cultural relevance.

Plus the Muppets are only past their prime because Disney refuses to do anything with them, and when they do, they do it in the most inoffensive and boring way possible. They want the Muppets to be a safe baby brand when it’s never been that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There is a separate thread for Tokyo, go to that thread. This is Hall of Presidents.

Post in thread 'Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion'

Apr 28, 2025

so is anyone here holding out hope that they pull a Wonderland on the Incredibles part of the redo and mothball it in favor of overhauling the Jungle Cruise as it currently stands?

I’m hoping, I know big blue sky ideas like this never happen 100% but there’s no way you could ever get the Incredibles to fit in Adventureland. That IP is much better suited for an IP park anyways

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[rle4lunch]

Plus the Muppets are only past their prime because Disney refuses to do anything with them, and when they do, they do it in the most inoffensive and boring way possible. They want the Muppets to be a safe baby brand when it’s never been that.

Muppet Babies to replace HoP, confirmed!

 

[ToTBellHop]

There is a separate thread for Tokyo, go to that thread. This is Hall of Presidents.

Post in thread 'Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion'

Apr 28, 2025

so is anyone here holding out hope that they pull a Wonderland on the Incredibles part of the redo and mothball it in favor of overhauling the Jungle Cruise as it currently stands?

I’m hoping, I know big blue sky ideas like this never happen 100% but there’s no way you could ever get the Incredibles to fit in Adventureland. That IP is much better suited for an IP park anyways

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I really wasn’t intending to distract. It was more to put a fine point on the “classics aren’t safe” theme. Only one they seem committed to keeping is Haunted Mansion. Thank the gods for that. I’d throw in the towel on that day…

 

[Agent H]

I really wasn’t intending to distract. It was more to put a fine point on the “classics aren’t safe” theme. Only one they seem committed to keeping is Haunted Mansion. Thank the gods for that. I’d throw in the towel on that day…

What about pirates of the Caribbean?! Please don’t tell me that’s on the chopping block too.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

What about pirates of the Caribbean?! Please don’t tell me that’s on the chopping block too.

Pirates isn’t going anywhere. If Tokyo spared it in their massive Adventureland remodel, I can’t see WDW or DL replacing it.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What about pirates of the Caribbean?! Please don’t tell me that’s on the chopping block too.

Full removal? Not with this CEO. Fudge around in there, though? Always a possibility once they finally announce Pirates 6.

 

[Homemade Imagineering]

Pirates isn’t going anywhere. If Tokyo spared it in their massive Adventureland remodel, I can’t see WDW or DL replacing it.

I’d hope the same goes for IASW? They’ve got a pretty unique version over there & gave it that huge overhaul in 2018. Plus the new Groot overlay… who knows though I wouldn’t put anything past them

 

[Agent H]

Full removal? Not with this CEO. Fudge around in there, though? Always a possibility once they finally announce Pirates 6.

That’s good to hear. If you’re implying more film characters being added I’m fine with that. I liked it the first time.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I really wasn’t intending to distract. It was more to put a fine point on the “classics aren’t safe” theme. Only one they seem committed to keeping is Haunted Mansion. Thank the gods for that. I’d throw in the towel on that day…

Their Country Bears seem safe for now given they just brought back their two overlays, but who knows.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I’d hope the same goes for IASW? They’ve got a pretty unique version over there & gave it that huge overhaul in 2018. Plus the new Groot overlay… who knows though I wouldn’t put anything past them

I think this art shows nothing there is truly sacred. I see people saying nothing outside of CA should be sacred, which I get, but at the same time… people like the classics for a reason. Not every park needs to be entirely unique. Clones here and there are fine

 

[Andrew25]

If they're getting rid of the railroad... that pretty much confirms to me they intend on taking out the river for a phase 2. Pair that with relocation of BoH facilities... they're looking at substantial expansion for both TDL and TDS.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

I think this art shows nothing there is truly sacred. I see people saying nothing outside of CA should be sacred, which I get, but at the same time… people like the classics for a reason. Not every park needs to be entirely unique. Clones here and there are fine

I think there should be a good mix at each resort. Not all of them need to have every classic attraction, but they all need to have some shared DNA. My biggest problem with Shanghai is that it didn’t keep enough of that DNA. It feels somewhat alien.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Muppets may be past their prime, but this is an attraction featuring Warren G Harding. Clearly this space doesn’t have to be the pinnacle of cultural relevance.

Don't say that to the Van Buren Boys ... Unless you know the sign of course

(And yes, I realize this reference is also dated)

 

[prberk]

Love the Muppets, but the HoP is still a great show and something Walt wanted. It is still inspirational and actually adds some perspective to the current myopic view that pervades politics.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I think there should be a good mix at each resort. Not all of them need to have every classic attraction, but they all need to have some shared DNA. My biggest problem with Shanghai is that it didn’t keep enough of that DNA. It feels somewhat alien.

Agreed. If they were to build a brand-new castle park today, I would want there to be a mix of classics and originals. Doing new versions of the classics would be cool too. I'll avoid veering any further off-topic, but I imagine you could do modern versions of Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Country Bears*, Big Thunder, Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, and all the other park-original classics that have the spirit of the original but are modern in their tech. Then those would still count as "new" attractions. A trackless Mansion could be really cool, or a take on Pirates of the Caribbean using the Shanghai ride system, but with the original ride's setting and characters (not the movie). Lots of ways to keep the classics but reinvent them to feel new!

*While CBMJ is new/"modern", I would argue a new build could have a new theater layout that makes it feel unique. One large stage a la HoP/America Signs, or 3 side stages on each side of the main stage to allow for all 18 characters to be in the finale for the first time ever. Could also give it a more modern aesthetic since the new show is less "Vaudeville" and more "Grand Ole Opry".

On that note, to bring it back to the thread topic, could a hypothetical new castle park have a modern/new take on the Hall of Presidents that doesn't feel dated? Or is HoP stuck as an idea of the time it was conceived, with no potential future for it elsewhere?

 

[The Leader of the Club]

On that note, to bring it back to the thread topic, could a hypothetical new castle park have a modern/new take on the Hall of Presidents that doesn't feel dated? Or is HoP stuck as an idea of the time it was conceived, with no potential future for it elsewhere?

I don’t think Liberty Square exists in a new castle park. It’s a product of the bicentennial fever of the 70s. Hall of Presidents definitely doesn’t make the cut.