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Agent H

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I was fortunate enough to attend a preview on Friday the 11th and have since taken the time to gather my thoughts! I won't get too deep into attraction spoilers, just general impressions, so if you'd like to hear my musings then read on.

This park is indeed a triumph. The world class attractions and placemaking are incredibly impressive for an opening day lineup. This park has more to do and see than Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom, and arguably more than Sea World and Universal Studios Florida, and those other parks have been operating for decades. Aside from just attractions though, you could spend hours in each of the five lands just soaking in details, smaller interactives, and walkaround performers. The streetmosphere in Epic is extraordinary, particularly in Berk and Darkmoor. None of these lands are dead, they are constantly inviting you to engage and peel back layers of storytelling with a variety of interesting tactics that never get old.

Ygor carries a large, mysterious bag around Darkmoor and the more curious guest might ask what he has in the bag. He'll give a conspicuously dismissive response, prompting you to follow him further as he travels to various graves, carts, and crates throughout the land. He'll climb off of the guest pathways, into flowerbeds, and under carts to pull out props of severed body parts, then improv a story as to why he needs these specific parts. It keeps peeling back layers about what's going on in the manor, Ygor's relationship with Victoria, Darkmoor's history, and it's also all incredibly funny. This is what themed entertainment is all about. It pushes the medium to the limit and defines why a theme park experience is different from film, television, or theatre, and Epic is absolutely teeming with this level of care. This is just one example of many from my single preview day.

The immense scale of the park simply can't be captured on photos or videos and hits the best in person. I was initially opposed to the Helios Grand being the backdrop of the park, but seeing it at eye level convinced me. Everyone comparing this to the Riviera is off base, this thing looks great from just about anywhere in the park. I could nitpick and say I wish it felt less flat, but ultimately it does achieve the look of being a form of palace. The only negative visual sightlines I think are particularly pertinent are the Untrainable building and Curse of the Werewolf's netting, but even those aren't as egregious as other sightline issues in the other Orlando parks (looking at you, Forbidden Journey and Cosmic Rewind).

While I'm on negatives, Curse of the Werewolf is my least favorite attraction in the park and the only one I believe has more to dislike than like. The coaster itself was much more physically fun than I thought it would be, but the swing launch "scene" does not land well, and the ending "scene" felt incredibly cheap and tacky (and that's coming from a lowkey Dinorama enjoyer lol). If I had to put money on it, this is going to be the first Epic opening day attraction to be replaced in the future. Funny since it's right next door to my favorite attraction in the park.

Monsters Unchained is going down in theme park history. This is one of those generational rides that feels so full of life, creativity, and love. I don't want to give away all of its tricks, so do your best to go in unspoiled. Even when I had a number of effects not working properly it was still mind blowing.

I can not wait to go back! If you are coming from out of town for Disney, save a day for Epic; you won't regret it. My final tip: stay after the sun sets if hours allow! This park is absolutely gorgeous at night, everything looks stunning. I would love to chat with others who have been lucky enough to visit as well, and would love to answer questions for those on the fence!
First off wow! That sounds like an amazing character interaction! I hope that’s not just for previews. Second I haven’t been yet but based on the pictures I don’t think the werewolf coaster will be as much of a problem as everyone makes it out to be or at least no more of one then flight of the hippogriff.
 

celluloid

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I sincerely doubt epic universe will have any major expansions in five years. Universal will probably want to focus more on things like adding Pokemon to universal studios. I do think the rumored great hall restaurant will be built because it directly generates revenue.

Work will definitely(as definite as anything can be) begin on some expansion plots in epic within five-six years.
 

Tom Morrow

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First off wow! That sounds like an amazing character interaction! I hope that’s not just for previews. Second I haven’t been yet but based on the pictures I don’t think the werewolf coaster will be as much of a problem as everyone makes it out to be or at least no more of one then flight of the hippogriff.

Hippogriff is kinda neatly tucked away between FJ and Hagrid though. The biggest issue with Werewolf is that it's main track area is in the center of the back of the land. It dominates it with its net walls and tracks going over the walkway. Hippogriff also at least arguably makes thematic sense - you're riding on a training thing Hagrid built to train you to ride on hippogriffs. There is no real logical connection at all between the land and theme and a spinning coaster.
 

TalkToEthan

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The ride experience(werewolf) doesn't translate in any way to something that thematically connects it to the land or werewolves.

….I feel a werewolf ride should focus on aggression and metamorphosis(change) with a sprinkling of unpredictability.

While the spinning coaster style certainly isn’t the perfect fit it seems to fit well enough if one is looking for an “off the shelf” technology rather than pay for something completely unique.

Now as to its positioning, again, that looks woeful.
 

celluloid

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Hippogriff is kinda neatly tucked away between FJ and Hagrid though. The biggest issue with Werewolf is that it's main track area is in the center of the back of the land. It dominates it with its net walls and tracks going over the walkway. Hippogriff also at least arguably makes thematic sense - you're riding on a training thing Hagrid built to train you to ride on hippogriffs. There is no real logical connection at all between the land and theme and a spinning coaster.

The Guild of Mystics is actually a cool story and not sure why it can't be just as valid to someone, but taste is taste.
 
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Tom Morrow

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….I feel a werewolf ride should focus on aggression and metamorphosis(change) with a sprinkling of unpredictability.

While the spinning coaster style certainly isn’t the perfect fit it seems to fit well enough if one is looking for an “off the shelf” technology rather than pay for something completely unique.

Now as to its positioning, again, that looks woeful.

I suppose. It's definitely more of an abstract approach to theming, more along the lines of Six Flags naming some of their spinning coasters "Joker" because "it's wild and unpredictable like the Joker", or "The Flash" because it launches fast, etc.

Typically I think of well-themed attractions in two categories:

1. The ride vehicle you are riding in is part of the story. Usually this is used for more dynamic and thrill rides.

2. The ride vehicle you are ridding in is passive and not part of the story, allowing you to take in the story and scenes. Typically this is the approach of slow moving dark rides.

Curse of the Werewolf doesn't fit in either.
 

celluloid

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I suppose. It's definitely more of an abstract approach to theming, more along the lines of Six Flags naming some of their spinning coasters "Joker" because "it's wild and unpredictable like the Joker", or "The Flash" because it launches fast, etc.

Typically I think of well-themed attractions in two categories:

1. The ride vehicle you are riding in is part of the story. Usually this is used for more dynamic and thrill rides.

2. The ride vehicle you are ridding in is passive and not part of the story, allowing you to take in the story and scenes. Typically this is the approach of slow moving dark rides.

Curse of the Werewolf doesn't fit in either
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The Guild of Mystics and their wagons says otherwise.
 

Bill Cipher

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First off wow! That sounds like an amazing character interaction! I hope that’s not just for previews. Second I haven’t been yet but based on the pictures I don’t think the werewolf coaster will be as much of a problem as everyone makes it out to be or at least no more of one then flight of the hippogriff.
While I dislike the look of the nets, I do think that the coaster track itself isn't an issue, it makes for good kinetics and is tucked between trees. It would look just fine and no more out of place than Hagrid's or Hiccup's if they could remove/scale back the netting with a different loose article policy (but I also understand that it would be absurd to ask for lockers and metal detection on a ride and footprint this small). I also rather like the Mack spin model seating, it's just my main issue is the final break run scene. Left a pretty bad taste in my mouth after an otherwise fun family coaster.
 

Moth

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Here's pics from when we went for TM previews after photos were allowed


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Would you be alright if I used this photo as a possible avatar? I've been so excited to see this AA since it was teased, and while I couldn't take photos when I went, I just think it's such an impressive figure.

Everyone look at Grump. They made a giant full body AA for a dragon that barely got screentime because they can.

It's no "Barf and Belch AA to go with the twins meet and greet", but Grump is lazy, he has a reason to stay in one spot.

Bring on that Gronckle drone, Universal. Bring me to tears. It's such a joy to see everyone enjoy Berk and the activity the fandom has gotten on social media has made me happy also. As someone knee deep in college, this park has been something of a carrot on a stick, I get to meet one of my best friends in the world and step into the finalized world of the films that set me on my creative journey.

Anyway uh, uhm, Berk stays winning? Berk stays winning.
 

UNCgolf

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While I dislike the look of the nets, I do think that the coaster track itself isn't an issue, it makes for good kinetics and is tucked between trees. It would look just fine and no more out of place than Hagrid's or Hiccup's if they could remove/scale back the netting with a different loose article policy (but I also understand that it would be absurd to ask for lockers and metal detection on a ride and footprint this small). I also rather like the Mack spin model seating, it's just my main issue is the final break run scene. Left a pretty bad taste in my mouth after an otherwise fun family coaster.

Kinetics aren't inherently good, though. They're only good to the extent they enhance the theme (or at least don't detract from it) -- e.g., a roller coaster running though the middle of Diagon Alley or Harambe would almost certainly make those areas worse.

I think Curse of the Werewolf does detract from the area's theming, so it's not a positive.

It was a late addition and not part of the original plan, so it's somewhat understandable that it has issues, but they're still there.
 
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Re: Curse of the Werewolf

I think a more fitting theme would have been Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde but whatever. I take more issue with the fact that the coaster is boring.

Clearly this one was rushed. It looks incomplete, lacking theming. I hope they can fix it. Dispatch/station needs a show scene. Need to visually see a "transformation", a torn to shreds caravan prop, and a solution for the netting. Would dark forest overgrowth and vines be a suitable fix, wrapped around camp walls with pendants and other "mystic" iconography?
 
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Agent H

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Would you be alright if I used this photo as a possible avatar? I've been so excited to see this AA since it was teased, and while I couldn't take photos when I went, I just think it's such an impressive figure.

Everyone look at Grump. They made a giant full body AA for a dragon that barely got screentime because they can.

It's no "Barf and Belch AA to go with the twins meet and greet", but Grump is lazy, he has a reason to stay in one spot.

Bring on that Gronckle drone, Universal. Bring me to tears. It's such a joy to see everyone enjoy Berk and the activity the fandom has gotten on social media has made me happy also. As someone knee deep in college, this park has been something of a carrot on a stick, I get to meet one of my best friends in the world and step into the finalized world of the films that set me on my creative journey.

Anyway uh, uhm, Berk stays winning? Berk stays winning.
It’s alright with me. That’s a really cool animatronic.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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View attachment 853220

Would you be alright if I used this photo as a possible avatar? I've been so excited to see this AA since it was teased, and while I couldn't take photos when I went, I just think it's such an impressive figure.

Everyone look at Grump. They made a giant full body AA for a dragon that barely got screentime because they can.

It's no "Barf and Belch AA to go with the twins meet and greet", but Grump is lazy, he has a reason to stay in one spot.

Bring on that Gronckle drone, Universal. Bring me to tears. It's such a joy to see everyone enjoy Berk and the activity the fandom has gotten on social media has made me happy also. As someone knee deep in college, this park has been something of a carrot on a stick, I get to meet one of my best friends in the world and step into the finalized world of the films that set me on my creative journey.

Anyway uh, uhm, Berk stays winning? Berk stays winning.
Yes. No problem
 

JT3000

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Is it the Mandela effect for me or was CoTW originally planned to be a Creature from the Black Lagoon boat ride ala Jaws?

That was cancelled. Werewolf actually took the place of a show. There's still room for expansion in Dark Universe, but when they decide to use it is anyone's guess. It'll be interesting to see if Werewolf actually survives said expansion.
 

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