Disstevefan1
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Well yes there are standby that are so short, there is actually no problem to solve in that case.
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News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Splash4eva
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Again i NEVER said only once. I said 3 times with restrictions when you can re ride as one of my suggestions… which imo is more than fair
Then they should put the same restrictions on people accessing the ride via the standby queue too, right? Only can ride 3x (or whatever the number)?
Splash4eva
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Forget it. You truly are missing my point. Like i said. There are things DAS users get to do that others CANT. What are you missing. They arent complaining about that are they?!?
Then change those things, not queue access. Wouldn’t that make more sense?
Chi84
Premium Member
I’m still not following. DAS is an accommodation that has to be reasonable not only in terms of being needed by the disabled person but also in terms of what a business can provide.
If Disney limited DAS (which is its own voluntary program) in the way described it would not be preventing a disabled person from accessing the ride; it would be providing an accommodation that is reasonable in light of its business model.
The idea of limiting non-disabled guests to stop them from doing more than a disabled person is one I haven’t seen before.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Actually no. Personally as a DAS user i rather be limited to 3 times as when you think about it. How many times are you riding more than that anyways vs losing access to book stuff while im eating and while on a ride. Personally its a no brainer honestly
Isn’t the point of DAS to provide equal access and opportunity to the ride queue? If the amount of times a person can access the ride queue is limited only for DAS users, then it would not longer be equal access, right?
I mean general terms talking about what is “reasonable” for the business. I don’t think Disney needs to provide DAS at all and could just discontinue the program if they choose.
It’s not the point of how many times someone is riding. It’s about equal access. Limiting the ability to have ADRs or ride other rides during the wait would honestly make it more equal….
Chi84
Premium Member
Disney isn’t denying a disabled person equal access to a ride. That has happened in some parks where a disabled person was prevented from riding and the question was whether the park acted correctly in doing so for safety concerns or the like.
Here, disabled persons are able to get on a ride but are asking for an accommodation because they have a disability that precludes them from standing in a physical line. Disney is then required to provide any accommodation that is both necessary and reasonable under the circumstances.
It is not required to ensure that disabled persons have the same experience as non-disabled persons.
For example, a non-disabled person would be limited by practical circumstances from repeatedly riding a headliner with a two-hour wait. That would be considered in determining whether the park provided a like experience to a disabled person.
Yes, I agree. It’s about providing access (the queue), not necessarily about equal park experience. But is it equal access if a non disabled person can enter the queue 3x and the disabled person is restricted and only allowed to enter the queue 1x (just using random numbers for the example)?
I’m probably just not explaining it well.
Maybe someone else will come along and explain it better
I'm with you and all for equal access. Equal access would also mean that someone using DAS wouldn't be able to also purchase LLMP/LLPP, as that provides them more access than a regular guest. But the person you're debating with feels zero remorse doing both together and then coming on here and bragging about how short their waits were for the dozens of rides they got each day thanks to having a DAS spot and also a LL spot.
Chi84
Premium Member
It’s not you; it’s the subject matter.Yes, I agree. It’s about providing access (the queue), not necessarily about equal park experience. But is it equal access if a non disabled person can enter the queue 3x and the disabled person is restricted and only allowed to enter the queue 1x (just using random numbers for the example)?
I’m probably just not explaining it well.
Waiting in lines is a different animal from most disability access issues. It gets complicated because Disney is literally selling a product that allows people to wait in a place other than the physical line.
DisneyHead123
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Yes, I agree. It’s about providing access (the queue), not necessarily about equal park experience. But is it equal access if a non disabled person can enter the queue 3x and the disabled person is restricted and only allowed to enter the queue 1x (just using random numbers for the example)?
I’m probably just not explaining it well.
I think you’re talking about two subtly different things. You’re talking about making the experiences entirely equitable when it comes to access (A black and white analogy might be access to emergency medical services - if you can’t walk and need to be wheeled into the ER, they obviously push you in every time. There’s no “We wheeled you in here the last two times, that’s enough. You can only come in if you walk this time.”)
I think Chi84 is talking more about what Disney would have to provide as “reasonable” access. That’s a very open term where, in my opinion, interpretations end up all over the map. I’m trying to think of an analogy for this one… maybe - some people wait an hour for the perfect parade spot. Some people cannot stand in the sun for an hour. And yet, even if you cannot stand in your preferred spot waiting for an hour, you cannot go to a CM and reserve a spot an hour ahead of time. Simply having accessible parade viewing spots is considered reasonable, even if the outcome is not entirely equal.
Chi84
Premium Member
Am I going to hell because I laughed at your analogy?
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
Chi!!!
Honestly I’ve encountered some cranky workers in hospitals who come pretty close to this attitude after a 16 hour shift!
I mean to be fair, we’ve purchased both. DAS is the accommodation for the standby line and non disabled guests can do standby and LLMP. I get the rationale about being able to use the LLMP ride while essentially “waiting” for the DAS ride though. That’s why I said I could get them restricting being unable to ride something while “waiting” for DAS return time.I'm with you and all for equal access. Equal access would also mean that someone using DAS wouldn't be able to also purchase LLMP/LLPP, as that provides them more access than a regular guest. But the person you're debating with feels zero remorse doing both together and then coming on here and bragging about how short their waits were for the dozens of rides they got each day thanks to having a DAS spot and also a LL spot.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Remorse?!? Over a disability i have and something that literally Disney allows and encourages lol. Im literally sitting here stating things Disney should do to limit DAS and you make that ignorant statement. Is this Buddy?I'm with you and all for equal access. Equal access would also mean that someone using DAS wouldn't be able to also purchase LLMP/LLPP, as that provides them more access than a regular guest. But the person you're debating with feels zero remorse doing both together and then coming on here and bragging about how short their waits were for the dozens of rides they got each day thanks to having a DAS spot and also a LL spot.
Chi84
Premium Member
I’m a meticulous rule follower but only Disney’s rules, not the ones set by other guests.
If a Disney program is too generous that’s their fault, not yours for using it as intended.
Club Cooloholic
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And probably the 50th, 100th, 200th.....it's just going round and round.