News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Angel Ariel]

It might. But that’s only one part of a two-part equation.

Again, a business is allowed to consider how the average guest uses its parks in fashioning a like experience. It can show how many times an average guest rides a headliner in considering what would constitute a reasonable accommodation to a disabled guest.

A business is not required to remove all difficulty or discomfort regarding access. It may not be possible to give a disabled guest the same experience that a non-disabled guest could have if that guest made all the choices available to them.

I’m simply talking about what may be legally required, not what is fair or right.

I do hear what you're saying, and. If the *only* population Disney actively prohibits from riding an attraction multiple times (regardless of whether that attraction is TRON or Tea Cups), is DAS users, I think Disney would certainly have PR issues if nothing else.

If the logic is saying limiting DAS users to 1 ride allows more people to use DAS, the same can be said for standby - limiting all guests to 1 ride then serves the same purpose. I don't see Disney doing that for standby lines.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Those people can also wait outside the queue. The rest of their party can wait in the standby queue, then the disabled person can join them at the merge point by going through the LL. There are still accommodations offered other than DAS.

Again, I am not experienced in this, but is the waiting outside the queue is that something you must request at every attraction, plus the very uncomfortable position for the folks behind you in the stand by queue.

A very bad "solution" in my opinion.

 

[Chi84]

I do hear what you're saying, and. If the *only* population Disney actively prohibits from riding an attraction multiple times (regardless of whether that attraction is TRON or Tea Cups), is DAS users, I think Disney would certainly have PR issues if nothing else.

If the logic is saying limiting DAS users to 1 ride allows more people to use DAS, the same can be said for standby - limiting all guests to 1 ride then serves the same purpose. I don't see Disney doing that for standby lines.

I’m not sure what you mean by prohibit. It just wouldn’t extend the DAS program to allow multiple rides.

We’re talking about defining the reasonableness of an accommodation, not prohibiting people from going on a ride.

 

[Splash4eva]

But the point is that any standby guest could wait in a headliner queue 3-4 times per day. Limiting a DAS user like that would be discriminatory as the point of DAS is to have a similar experience to a standby user.

Now, they could limit to saying a DAS user cannot go on any other attraction during their waiting outside the queue for their return.

Again. We been down this road endless times. With everything DAS users get in regards to “advantages” making a “sacrifice” like this is a small price to pay. This coming from a DAS user myself under both the old and new requirements.

 

[jennab55]

Again, I am not experienced in this, but is the waiting outside the queue is that something you must request at every attraction, plus the very uncomfortable position for the folks behind you in the stand by queue.

A very bad "solution" in my opinion.

Yes. In the past one had to ask for a return time for DAS or GAC at the queue. So what’s the difference? Someone just says they can’t wait in the queue that long due to a disability.

Why do you care how it makes others feel behind you? While the standby people are waiting for their party to join, others can just go around them. Not sure why that matters. Just excuses because people prefer DAS.

 

[jennab55]

Again. We been down this road endless times. With everything DAS users get in regards to “advantages” making a “sacrifice” like this is a small price to pay. This coming from a DAS user myself under both the old and new requirements.

You are missing the point. DAS is an accommodation for the standby queue. It has nothing do do with making “sacrifices”. That doesn’t even make sense. Then limit the amount of times someone can enter the standby queue to make likes shorter for everyone.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes. In the past one had to ask for a return time for DAS or GAC at the queue. So what’s the difference? Someone just says they can’t wait in the queue that long due to a disability.

Why do you care how it makes others feel behind you? While the standby people are waiting for their party to join, others can just go around them. Not sure why that matters. Just excuses because people prefer DAS.

No question. DAS is far superior to any front of the line option.

 

[Splash4eva]

You are missing the point. DAS is an accommodation for the standby queue. It has nothing do do with making “sacrifices”. That doesn’t even make sense. Then limit the amount of times someone can enter the standby queue to make likes shorter for everyone.

Listen im fully aware of what DAS is like i said i have DAS BUT when everyone says its to make the experience the same as a regular guest experience yet leave out the fact of the advantages there are. IE. When im having breakfast or dinner in the parks. I have a DAS ready to go for when i done eating. Is that the same experience as a regular guest? On lengthy rides. Im able to book another ride while still on my current one. Is that the same. So again. I get it BUT when it comes to DAS everyone wants to cry well its not fair but conveniently leave out every other perk it provides.

 

[Purduevian]

No question. DAS is far superior to any front of the line option.

Disagree LLPP is better than DAS. However, what is your solution?

 

[jennab55]

No question. DAS is far superior to any front of the line option.

I mean no. The new premier pass is superior if we are comparing all options. As far as disability accommodations, yes I’d agree DAS is easier, but it’s now only meant to a small subset of people. Other accommodations are offered and if someone doesn’t like those accommodations they do have the option to purchase LLSP or LLMP. Even people who do use the accommodations are free to also purchase the paid options. We did in previous trips.

 

[jennab55]

Listen im fully aware of what DAS is like i said i have DAS BUT when everyone says its to make the experience the same as a regular guest experience yet leave out the fact of the advantages there are. IE. When im having breakfast or dinner in the parks. I have a DAS ready to go for when i done eating. Is that the same experience as a regular guest? On lengthy rides. Im able to book another ride while still on my current one. Is that the same. So again. I get it BUT when it comes to DAS everyone wants to cry well it’s not fair but conveniently leave out every other perk it provides.

DAS not about making the experience the same as a non disabled guest. It’s about providing access to the ride queue. That’s it.

I don’t disagree it provides benefits though, and some restrictions could be put on it. I do not think restricting rides to one time only is a limit as again, non disabled guests do not have restrictions to queue access. If anything, remove the option to enter into another queue while waiting for the DAS return.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Disagree LLPP is better than DAS. However, what is your solution?

DAS is better in my opinion because LLPP is too expensive and its capped to only one ride per attraction.

But the idea of capping everyone who uses the LL queue, including DAS, to one ride per attraction, could possibly help.

I don't have the data but I think capping everyone who uses the LL queue to one ride per attraction could possibly lower wait times for both lighting lane and stand by.

The capping to a single ride for everyone using the LL queue also could possibly all Disney allow some folks with real limitations who previously qualified for DAS and now do not, to again be able to use DAS.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I mean no. The new premier pass is superior if we are comparing all options. As far as disability accommodations, yes I’d agree DAS is easier, but it’s now only meant to a small subset of people. Other accommodations are offered and if someone doesn’t like those accommodations they do have the option to purchase LLSP or LLMP. Even people who do use the accommodations are free to also purchase the paid options. We did in previous trips.

Well yes, LLPP is the best, but its simply too expensive for me.

 

[jennab55]

DAS is better in my opinion because LLPP is too expensive and its capped to only one ride per attraction.

But the idea of capping everyone who uses the LL queue, including DAS, to one ride per attraction, could possibly help.

I don't have the data but I think capping everyone who uses the LL queue to one ride per attraction could possibly lower wait times for both lighting lane and stand by.

The capping to a single ride for everyone using the LL queue also could possibly all Disney allow some folks with real limitations who previously qualified for DAS and now do not, to again be able to use DAS.

They’d have to cap the standby queue to once per person then too…. Which won’t ever happen.

DAS is not meant to be a cost saving method.

 

[Purduevian]

DAS is better in my opinion because LLPP is too expensive and its capped to only one ride per attraction.

But the idea of capping everyone who uses the LL queue, including DAS, to one ride per attraction, could possibly help.

I don't have the data but I think capping everyone who uses the LL queue to one ride per attraction could possibly lower wait times for both lighting lane and stand by.

The capping to a single ride for everyone using the LL queue also could possibly all Disney allow some folks with real limitations who previously qualified for DAS and now do not, to again be able to use DAS.

While I disagree with the idea of limiting DAS to 1 return time per ride. I can see why you feel that way.

I also think if we are factoring price into things. Most people that still qualify for DAS would gladly pay the LLPP cost to not qualify for DAS

 

[Chi84]

They’d have to cap the standby queue to once per person then too…. Which won’t ever happen.

I’m not following. Why would they have to do this?

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I’m not sure what you mean by prohibit. It just wouldn’t extend the DAS program to allow multiple rides.

We’re talking about defining the reasonableness of an accommodation, not prohibiting people from going on a ride.

And at the risk of beating a dead horse, the more DAS becomes a "benefit" beyond the norm, the norm being most people will ride a headliner once or twice at most, the more it leads to people lying in order to game the system.

That's just the reality of the world we live in. It's why Disney has really tried to make DAS as close as possible to being "equal" to everyone else.

 

[jennab55]

I’m not following. Why would they have to do this?

If they want to cap DAS to only 1 ride, and DAS is the accommodation for queue access, then to me, they’d need to also cap standby. Otherwise you are telling only disabled people that they cannot ride something more than once, whereas a non disabled person could.

 

[Disstevefan1]

They’d have to cap the standby queue to once per person then too…. Which won’t ever happen.

DAS is not meant to be a cost saving method.

I think the standby's are so long they self cap to less than one ride per attraction in a theme park day

 

[jennab55]

I think the standby's are so long they self cap to less than one ride per attraction in a theme park day

Not all. Many of “smaller” rides at MK have shorter waits as long as someone is going during a time of year when it’s not crazy busy.

ETA - when my son was young he loved barnstormer or the Nemo ride at EP and wanted to ride multiple times. Many times it was walk on or a short wait.