Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Vegas Disney Fan]

My God, those people all deserve each other! What a bizarrely miserable group of people they seem to be.

That's Hollywood, baby!

My favorite tweet is the first one that says it won’t hurt blue collar workers because they’ve already been paid, while completely ignoring the fact they need another job with another movie if they’re going to keep getting paid.

Whether Snow White makes $200 million or loses $200 million will affect hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs in the movie industry, to ignore that is either ignorance or intentional misrepresentation.

 

[Disney Irish]

Just so I can note it down in my pad, is there any attempt at humor you can identify via written text?

I know like 99% of what you post is an attempt at humor, even if I or others don't find it humorous. Still doesn't mean I won't respond to it just because you attempt to be humorous. Because if people didn't post/respond this would be a very boring not active forum.

 

[Casper Gutman]

My favorite tweet is the first one that says it won’t hurt blue collar workers because they’ve already been paid, while completely ignoring the fact they need another job with another movie if they’re going to keep getting paid.

Whether Snow White makes $200 million or loses $200 million will affect hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs in the movie industry, to ignore that is either ignorance or intentional misrepresentation.

Come on. Working on a big-budget studio flop will have absolutely no impact on the below-the-line workers. It MIGHT affect the leading stars, director, producers, and writers (in descending order of likelihood). All of them have some degree of actual blame, however, and frankly, in Hollywood those individuals tend to fail upwards.

This psuedo-populist posturing is very deeply silly.

 

[TP2000]

Whether Snow White makes $200 million or loses $200 million will affect hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs in the movie industry, to ignore that is either ignorance or intentional misrepresentation.

I'm calling it what it appears to be; sheer stupidity. With a dollop of elite smugness on top. 2025 young hipster perfection!

 

[Farerb]

Marc Platt will be okay thanks to Wicked.

 

[Agent H]

My favorite tweet is the first one that says it won’t hurt blue collar workers because they’ve already been paid, while completely ignoring the fact they need another job with another movie if they’re going to keep getting paid.

Whether Snow White makes $200 million or loses $200 million will affect hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs in the movie industry, to ignore that is either ignorance or intentional misrepresentation.

The blue collar workers are presumably the people who did things like craft the sets and such. I’ve heard no major complaints about that. I don’t think they will have a problem getting hired for future films.

 

[Disney Irish]

My favorite tweet is the first one that says it won’t hurt blue collar workers because they’ve already been paid, while completely ignoring the fact they need another job with another movie if they’re going to keep getting paid.

Whether Snow White makes $200 million or loses $200 million will affect hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs in the movie industry, to ignore that is either ignorance or intentional misrepresentation.

How will Snow White bombing affect the blue collar workers who have all likely moved on to their next project already? These workers are constantly moving from one project to another, they aren't like actors where their career may or may not be affected by their last project bombing. These are workers that studios use for ALL projects from small to huge budget projects. They will be fine no matter what happens with Snow White.

 

[easyrowrdw]

No no the other other comments.

Wait, which ones are those? Ooooh, the ones after the election?! Sorry. I think gotcha now.

 

[brideck]

How will Snow White bombing affect the blue collar workers who have all likely moved on to their next project already? These workers are constantly moving from one project to another, they aren't like actors where their career may or may not be affected by their last project bombing. These are workers that studios use for ALL projects from small to huge budget projects. They will be fine no matter what happens with Snow White.

No, no. I'm pretty sure the entire future of Hollywood rests on the success or failure of Snow White.

 

[Agent H]

Wait, which ones are those? Ooooh, the ones after the election?! Sorry. I think gotcha now.

Those are the ones I thought we were talking about.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The blue collar workers are presumably the people who did things like craft the sets and such. I’ve heard no major complaints about that. I don’t think they will have a problem getting hired for future films.

How will Snow White bombing affect the blue collar workers who have all likely moved on to their next project already? These workers are constantly moving from one project to another, they aren't like actors where their career may or may not be affected by their last project bombing. These are workers that studios use for ALL projects from small to huge budget projects. They will be fine no matter what happens with Snow White.

Disney adjusted their future release schedule after the disastrous 2022 box office, that’s how it hurts workers, if Disney pushes back another project or 2 as a result of losses in 2025 that results in thousands of lost jobs.

Hollywood is already struggling as more movies move to Vancouver, Georgia, England, even here in Vegas… the last thing they need is for studios to delay a couple more projects as a result of struggling box office results.

 

[Farerb]

With 5,700 Movie Screens Shut Down and the Box Office in a Slump, Theaters Are Still Waiting for a Post-Pandemic Comeback

Movie theaters are considering discount pricing and investing in Imax and 4DX to attract audiences, but the 2025 box office is in a slump.

variety.com

 

[Disney Irish]

So in her world, money just grows on magic trees that are planted in the backyards of Hollywood producers? And when a stupid producer who they all hate wants to make a $250 Million movie the producer just goes to the backyard and picks money from the magic trees and then gives it to all the blue-collar workers and lesser paid cubicle drones at the studio to make a movie?

There's no need for studio companies to take out loans from banks, show a history of business success, raise money from investors, then re-invest the profits from previous success to allow your studio to grow with changing technology and times? Much less cover depreciation, payroll taxes, paid benefits, real estate and physical plant expansion, etc.

Fascinating. Who knew funding $250 Million movies was so simple! When I lived in SoCal, my backyard only had a lemon tree.

You really don't understand how Hollywood financing works, and it shows.

Studios don't go to banks to get a loan for a movie, especially not a Studio the size of Disney. They may use a finance company like 20th Century Studios uses TSG so they don't have to pay it out themselves. But that is standard Hollywood.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Disney adjusted their future release schedule after the disastrous 2022 box office, that’s how it hurts workers, if Disney pushes back another project or 2 as a result of losses in 2025 that results in thousands of lost jobs.

Hollywood is already struggling as more movies move to Vancouver, Georgia, England, even here in Vegas… the last thing they need is for studios to delay a couple more projects as a result of struggling box office results.

You’re really, really reaching.

There are a vast array of economic, cultural, and social forces buffeting Hollywood right now. We’ve talked about them a lot in this thread. A single film failing isn’t a blip.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney adjusted their future release schedule after the disastrous 2022 box office, that’s how it hurts workers, if Disney pushes back another project or 2 as a result of losses in 2025 that results in thousands of lost jobs.

Hollywood is already struggling as more movies move to Vancouver, Georgia, England, even here in Vegas… the last thing they need is for studios to delay a couple more projects as a result of struggling box office results.

So Disney just stops all production on all movies and tv shows they are doing when they adjust schedules? No of course they don't. And so when a production gets delayed those crews tied to it move onto the next project that is currently under production. New production spins up and old productions shutdown constantly. This is Hollywood, the town that never sleeps, where a movie or tv show is being shot all the time.

And since Disney just like the rest of Hollywood uses the trade unions these workers just move onto the next studio who has a production going if Disney has no work for them.

 

[TP2000]

Disney adjusted their future release schedule after the disastrous 2022 box office, that’s how it hurts workers, if Disney pushes back another project or 2 as a result of losses in 2025 that results in thousands of lost jobs.

Hollywood is already struggling as more movies move to Vancouver, Georgia, England, even here in Vegas… the last thing they need is for studios to delay a couple more projects as a result of struggling box office results.

The California economy in general is one of the weakest ones in the nation, and the Los Angeles economy specifically is one of the weakest in an already weak California. The loss of Hollywood production and business is really hurting things in and around LA.

As Hollywood Struggles, the Region’s Economy Feels the Pain

Film production has failed to bounce back after major strikes last year, and competition from other locales has gotten stiffer.

www.nytimes.com

Los Angeles' entertainment industry suffers continued losses over past three years, report says

The film and television industry in Los Angeles, widely heralded as the entertainment capital of the world, suffered substantial economic losses over the past three years, according to an industry report released Wednesday.

www.cbsnews.com

There are parts of LA that were once vibrant and successful owing to their proximity to the Hollywood money machine, but they are now slipping into decay and abandonment. Not all of that is due to Hollywood's financial straits, but is also due to years of catastrophic government policy at the state and local level on drug abuse, crime, homelessness, etc.

But large swaths of LA that were once "Tinsel Town!" now look more like an abandoned steel mill town in Ohio.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So Disney just stops all production on all movies and tv shows they are doing when they adjust schedules? No of course they don't. And so when a production gets delayed those crews tied to it move onto the next project that is currently under production. New production spins up and old productions shutdown constantly. This is Hollywood, the town that never sleeps, where a movie or tv show is being shot all the time.

And since Disney just like the rest of Hollywood uses the trade unions these workers just move onto the next studio who has a production going if Disney has no work for them.

I’m sorry but this ignores reality, all the studios are in the same position, Disney cutting a movie from their schedule does not mean Universal adds one, Universal is unfortunately in the same position as Disney.

Worldwide Box Office peaked at $39 billion in 2019, it clawed its way back to $28 billion in 2023 and then fell to $25 billion last year, why the fall despite being far more profitable? Because fewer movies were released!

If they’re making fewer movies that means fewer people working on movies, this isn’t rocket science.

One of our beverage managers is a former actor from the LA area, he moved here because he could no longer find work as a background actor, there’s simply not enough work to go around anymore, that’s reality.

 

[Disney Irish]

The California economy in general is one of the weakest ones in the nation, and the Los Angeles economy specifically is one of the weakest in an already weak California. The loss of Hollywood production and business is really hurting things in and around LA.

Hollywood is suffering an economic slowdown with writing and production jobs far and few between

Today on AirTalk, we check-in on Hollywood and how it has found itself in an economic slowdown with few job openings. Also on the show, a new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) looks at how retailers aren’t stocking shelves with sustainable products; we recap Governor Gavin...

laist.com

Los Angeles' entertainment industry suffers continued losses over past three years, report says

The film and television industry in Los Angeles, widely heralded as the entertainment capital of the world, suffered substantial economic losses over the past three years, according to an industry report released Wednesday.

www.cbsnews.com

There are parts of LA that were once vibrant and successful owing to their proximity to the Hollywood money machine, but they are now slipping into decay and abandonment. Not all of that is due to Hollywood's financial straits, but is also due to years of catastrophic government policy at the state and local level on drug abuse, crime, homelessness, etc.

But large swaths of LA that were once "Tinsel Town!" now look more like an abandoned steel mill town in Ohio.

So tell me how ANY of this has ANYTHING to do with Snow White, a movie filmed in the UK at Pinewood Studios using UK production crews, bombing? UK production crews that are currently working on 8 movies and 10 TV shows at Pinewood.

 

[TP2000]

If they’re making fewer movies that means fewer people working on movies, this isn’t rocket science.

One of our beverage managers is a former actor from the LA area, he moved here because he could no longer find work as a background actor, there’s simply not enough work to go around anymore, that’s reality.

I just checked the Bureau of Labor's statistics page. In January, 2025 California had the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation at 5.4%.

A few other states to compare to, like Florida with Disney World and Georgia with lower taxes and a burgeoning film industry, plus the state everyone loves to hate... Texas!

January, 2025 Unemployment Rate
49. California, 5.4%
32. Texas, 4.1%
19. Georgia 3.6%
17. Florida 3.5%

Also in January, the unemployment rate in Los Angeles County was 5.8%, higher than the state average. LA County has about 10 Million residents, or roughly the same population as the state of New Jersey or Michigan.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m sorry but this ignores reality, all the studios are in the same position, Disney cutting a movie from their schedule does not mean Universal adds one, Universal is unfortunately in the same position as Disney.

Worldwide Box Office peaked at $39 billion in 2019, it clawed its way back to $28 billion in 2023 and then fell to $25 billion last year, why the fall despite being far more profitable? Because fewer movies were released!

If they’re making fewer movies that means fewer people working on movies, this isn’t rocket science.

One of our beverage managers is a former actor from the LA area, he moved here because he could no longer find work as a background actor, there’s simply not enough work to go around anymore, that’s reality.

I'll ask you the same question I asked of TP, so tell me how ANY of this has ANYTHING to do with Snow White, a movie filmed in the UK at Pinewood Studios using UK production crews, bombing? UK production crews that are currently working on 8 movies and 10 TV shows at Pinewood.

Also I'm sorry for your co-worker, but they are an actor, not the production crew that was being talked about.