MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Streetway Again]

Why would IAAPA want projects to be cut? Yesterday members in North America received an email from the organization expressing concern about a decline in industry business.

I was referring to members of this board. This has nothing to do with anything I was saying. Some people here are just stuck dooming and glooming. Even if it does stink replacing the river, would a little optimism kill you?

And YES, the design and service of somethings are undefendably less than they used to, and management has made some questionable decisions. But while it’s ok to say you aren’t excited and think removing the river will be a bad move and you THINK cars will be bad, I don’t think it’s fair to say that you know for sure it’ll suck before any work has been done and the river has even closed.

 

[solidyne]

[..] I don’t think it’s fair to say that you know for sure it’ll suck before any work has been done and the river has even closed.

When you get twenty consecutive sucky things, I think it is fair to expect the twenty-first to suck.

 

[Ayla]

I was referring to members of this board. This has nothing to do with anything I was saying. Some people here are just stuck dooming and glooming. Even if it does stink replacing the river, would a little optimism kill you?

And YES, the design and service of somethings are undefendably less than they used to, and management has made some questionable decisions. But while it’s ok to say you aren’t excited and think removing the river will be a bad move and you THINK cars will be bad, I don’t think it’s fair to say that you know for sure it’ll suck before any work has been done and the river has even closed.

I think I need to keep this in a file so I can just copy and paste ~ the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. When project after project is sucky, you learn that's what you'll be getting for every project.

 

[Gusey]

When you get twenty consecutive sucky things, I think it is fair to expect the twenty-first to suck.

"sucky" in your opinion though. Cosmic Rewind, Journey of Water and Country Bear Musical Jamboree were largely well-receive and the only negative comments I've see about them were from the members on this forum

 

[Agent H]

I think I need to keep this in a file so I can just copy and paste ~ the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. When project after project is sucky, you learn that's what you'll be getting for every project.

Depends on weather you think they are consistently bad .

 

[Ayla]

Depends on weather you think they are consistently bad .

It's 'whether' and yes, I do think they have been consistently underwhelming and disappointing.

 

[Jrb1979]

Depends on weather you think they are consistently bad .

IMO they have high aspirations and well laid out ideas that look amazing. Lately the execution hasn't been great. Tiana's is a great example. The ride looks great with lots of color. Problem is the amount of downtime and the issues a lot of AAs are already having and it's only been opened a year.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I was referring to members of this board. This has nothing to do with anything I was saying. Some people here are just stuck dooming and glooming. Even if it does stink replacing the river, would a little optimism kill you?

This board does not exist in a vacuum.

And YES, the design and service of somethings are undefendably less than they used to, and management has made some questionable decisions. But while it’s ok to say you aren’t excited and think removing the river will be a bad move and you THINK cars will be bad, I don’t think it’s fair to say that you know for sure it’ll suck before any work has been done and the river has even closed.

Why is the inverse okay? To think it’ll be great based on nothing? And these decisions are made without “work” being done.

 

[Ayla]

IMO they have high aspirations and well laid out ideas that look amazing. Lately the execution hasn't been great. Tiana's is a great example. The ride looks great with lots of color. Problem is the amount of downtime and the issues a lot of AAs are already having and it's only been opened a year.

It opened June 28th of last year.

 

[Jrb1979]

It opened June 28th of last year.

That makes it even worse.

 

[solidyne]

"sucky" in your opinion though. Cosmic Rewind, Journey of Water and Country Bear Musical Jamboree were largely well-receive and the only negative comments I've see about them were from the members on this forum

Yes, absolutely my opinion. That's the point.

 

[Ayla]

That makes it even worse.

Yeah, that was the point.

 

[Gusey]

Yes, absolutely my opinion. That's the point.

But my point is that if you think even the stuff most people consider the best things to come out of this decade as "sucky" isn't everything going to suck in your opinion? Is anything actually going to be considered good when you are looking at everything pessimistically? I always go into each project with a neutral point of view and try not to let what's come before taint my opinion on what's coming

 

[Agent H]

IMO they have high aspirations and well laid out ideas that look amazing. Lately the execution hasn't been great. Tiana's is a great example. The ride looks great with lots of color. Problem is the amount of downtime and the issues a lot of AAs are already having and it's only been opened a year.

Maintenance is definitely an issue. They do seem to be getting better though.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Maintenance is definitely an issue. They do seem to be getting better though.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Most "budget cuts" were actually "cost overruns." And once you run over budget, you need to cut somewhere to stay in budget (or not to be too wildly over budget).

The sticking point is that Disney almost always spends the money that was budgeted. The budget wasn't cut. Instead, the scope of the new build is cut back because the project started to cost more than budgeted.

Disney doesn't budget $100M for a new attraction and then half-way thru the build says, "Hey, let's cut this back to $75M and save some money!!" It's when they're on track to spend $150M over budget, they say, "Hey, we don't really need Al's Barn Shop, do we?"

And yes, this is a criticism of Disney for not being honest with itself over costs.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Most of those "budget cuts" were actually "cost overruns." And once you run over budget, you need to cut somewhere to stay in budget (or not to be too wildly over budget).

The sticking point is that Disney almost always spends the money that was budgeted. The budget wasn't cut. Instead, the scope of the new build is cut back because the project started to cost more than budgeted.

Disney doesn't budget $100M for a new attraction and then half-way thru the build says, "Hey, let's cut this back to $75M and save some money!!" It's when they're on track to spend $150M over budget, they say, "Hey, we don't really need Al's Barn Shop, do we?"

And yes, this is a criticism of Disney for not being honest with itself over costs.

Well then Disney is REALLY BAD in calculating budgets then for BOTH their movies and theme parks.



Worst part is, its the guests that will suffer with "scope cut" Cars and Villains lands

"scope cut", I like it, I will use that going forward.

When you think about it, "scope cut" is WORSE than "cost cut" because the guest get a worse attraction AND the company didn't save any money; its a lose, lose!

 

[WorldExplorer]

Disney causes strong positive emotional reactions (they want to do so, it helps with business) and so also causes strong negative emotional reactions.

They're two sides of the same coin; it's natural and it's not going to stop.

 

[Agent H]

It's 'whether' and yes, I do think they have been consistently underwhelming and disappointing.

Sorry. Autocorrect.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Most of those "budget cuts" were actually "cost overruns." And once you run over budget, you need to cut somewhere to stay in budget (or not to be too wildly over budget).

The sticking point is that Disney almost always spends the money that was budgeted. The budget wasn't cut. Instead, the scope of the new build is cut back because the project started to cost more than budgeted.

Disney doesn't budget $100M for a new attraction and then half-way thru the build says, "Hey, let's cut this back to $75M and save some money!!" It's when they're on track to spend $150M over budget, they say, "Hey, we don't really need Al's Barn Shop, do we?"

And yes, this is a criticism of Disney for not being honest with itself over costs.

I have thought more about this and I again see a double standard in TWDC.

In their movie business, when they have a bad test screening, they will re shoot and re shoot and go over budget to try to fix the problem for a movie no one will remember a month after its out of the theater.

In their theme park business when they reach their budget, instead spending the money to deliver the attraction they wanted to, they will "scope cut" and deliver a lesser attraction that will be around for 20 years or so.