Stripes
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Haunted Mansion’s gothic revival architecture is from the mid-19th century.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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DisneyFanatic12
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Edutainment was amazing. I often learned enough from the parks attractions that government, us history, and more was often just “review” of things I already knew from the parks.
Crazy to think about what all the edutainment has taught visitors!
TheMaxRebo
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No, it's Dutch Gothic style from the mid 18th century from Hudson Valley New York, meant to evoke the time period around the Legend of a sleepy Hallow which itself was written in 1820
In any event it could lead into a Villains Land it they wanted
DisneyFanatic12
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I think the biggest issue is Tiana, in all honesty. At least the cars ride transitions to geysers and then BTM in the concept art, and in my opinion, if executed well, will work just fine in Frontierland.
Tiana is so close to BTM, and doesn’t transition into BTM. It might blend into cars better with the greenery, but the setting is an issue too. Pacific Northwest is at least still out west!
I’m interested in what’ll happen to the town. Will they make the town lean into Tiana, making the whole section move away from the desert theme? Will BTM still work as the sole desert area left?
JoeCamel
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I grew up with '64 world's fair and the Museum of Science and Industry, National Geographic sub with back issues and Walt on TV every Sunday night.
Yeah I think it can be effective and entertaining
PS: Marlin Perkins did the wild thing
splah
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i just got back from a trip to canyonlands national park. one of the roads we drove was a winding packed dirt road with tons of vegetation and elevation changes. I couldn't help myself from thinking if they can replicate this experience it would be great, it reminded me a lot of the opening outdoor segment of RSR. even going at slow speeds there was so much to look at and depth and layers to the landscape it was exciting. the rock surrounds you so it made it feel even more like an attraction and gave me hope that they could make this somewhat self contained
A lot of the problems i have with WDIs recent designs is the scale. everything is HUGE and blown out empty spaces. Maybe with this the smaller plot they are working with it will force them to be more compact with the design and get the scale right. give us tighter turns and closer scenery.
although, i wish they were keeping some of the river, but that is a moot point now.
elephant hill trailhead access road video i found on youtube for reference
A lot of the problems i have with WDIs recent designs is the scale. everything is HUGE and blown out empty spaces. Maybe with this the smaller plot they are working with it will force them to be more compact with the design and get the scale right. give us tighter turns and closer scenery.
although, i wish they were keeping some of the river, but that is a moot point now.
elephant hill trailhead access road video i found on youtube for reference
Grantwil93
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I don't love the cars idea. But sorta related to this, I always found it weird how "frontier" seemed to be pigeon-holed into the wild west only for some people.
When, like, tom sawyer and the river boat is Missouri. Why does Georgia(now Louisiana), yellowstone, Arizona, Missouri, smokey mountains/southern states(pecos bill and kinda country bears) not all fall under "frontier" for people.
Heck, i could argue the thing that's always been out of place is big thunder mountain given it's the only thing so firmly set in that old west dessert setting.
Like, Adventureland is literally just used as a blanket term for "exotic" destinations. It's all over the place geographically
Im not saying this cars thing will be good, but it doesn't seem out of line on its face to me outside of time period concerns. But MK has time period issues in other places already, as other posters have pointed out
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AidenRodriguez731
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This is what I've been saying forever. County Bear is also set in Tennesse iirc, very much NOT the Frontier. To me, Frontierland is now showing off the "American Wilderness" and exploring different sections of it. Which fits all the rides in there technically. Tiana's got so much hate but it's in the SAME time period + only one state over from where Country Bears takes place. Not to mention, its technically MORE western than Country Bear and I do even mean the OG Country Bears
Does Georgia or Louisiana right now represent "the frontier"? Of course not. Their frontier times were long before the right now.
In the same way, Georgia and Louisiana at the time of Splash or TBA was also not the frontier, because their frontier-times was a century earlier than the time frames of that attraction.
Simply being old doesn't mean they were also the frontier times.
Diamond Horseshoe represents St. Louis at the time of the Mississippi steamboats. But at that time... it's no longer the frontier. St. Louis is a large settled city. The transportation of goods, and industry, and *tourists* on the steamboats clearly represent that the frontier -- for that region at that time -- is over.
The Country Bears singing country songs from the 50's and 60's couldn't possibly by "the frontier."
Things in the past didn't happen all at once.
DisneyFanatic12
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There could be some argument that Louisiana is part of the frontier, but being east of the Mississippi River, it's hard to justify the Smokeys as part of the Western Frontier.
But I agree with you that the "frontier" is more than just a desert.
As the land now stands, I suppose you could. Although I'd argue that the whole town, outside of CBMJ, is set pretty firmly in the western setting, and one that most would associate with a dessert (especially Pecos). As of now Tiana and perhaps TSI are outliers, in the future BTM could be the outlier.
I don't disagree with this, I think the inclusion of the Pacific Northwest could be fine for Frontierland, maybe even making it better. I just wish that it would be equal parts lush and desert at least, if that makes sense.
Here's my thoughts (best-case scenario).
- You built TBA, which isolated BTM from what used to be a land comprised of BTM, a desert town, and a clay/desertish mountain.
- You build Cars, BTM is now isolated in a possibly thematically better desert-themed area.
- The Western town that used to be desert-inspired (at least to the average guest, given Pecos and the shops) no longer makes sense being desert-themed (as it's now unconnected to the desert section of the land). It becomes either Louisiana-inspired or just more neutral.
- BTM is now the sole piece of the desert area. In this case, I REALLY hope the geysers make it through to the final product and bring some sustenance to the land. If the geysers do make it through, and all goes well, Frontierland could be better than it is now (looking over the motor vehicles).
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Stripes
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I’m afraid you’re confused.
During the 18th century, homes in Sleepy Hollow were primarily of the Dutch Colonial style.
Georgian, Federal, and Dutch Colonial styles dominated the architecture of residences in colonial America and the Hudson River Valley during the 18th century.
It wasn’t until the mid-19th century that Gothic Revival architecture became promoted and popularized in the Hudson River Valley by people like Alexander Jackson Davis and Andrew Jackson Downing.
When Washington Irving, the writer of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, bought his home in Sleepy Hollow it was of a Dutch Colonial style. However, he, like many others, remodeled his Sunnyside home to give it more gothic influence in the mid-1800s. This why Gothic Revival architecture is now associated with Sleepy Hollow, but it certainly wasn’t in the 1700s.
The Haunted Mansion’s asymmetrical facade, steeply pitched roof, ornate finials, tall narrow windows, and turret showcase its unmistakable Gothic Revival influence. And, again, Gothic Revival didn’t emerge in the Hudson River Valley or anywhere in America until the mid 19th century.
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Stripes
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I honestly don’t have a clue as to why you responded to my post with this comment.
We could’ve had Disney’s America in the DC area filled with fantastic edutainment about the founding of this country, but some people threw a fit over how it’s proximity to a nearby Civil War battlefield would desecrate the sacrifices of the Civil War soldiers that died. That same plot of land where the park was proposed is now a residential community and country club. And even closer to the battlefield than the proposed park are now amenities such as a Walmart Supercenter and a Taco Bell. Talk about desecration.
It couldn’t be more obvious that, in general, the people of this country couldn’t care less about educating their kids about the country’s history or its founding. It’s quite sad.
Agent H
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If it is supposed to be from the mid 18th century then why isn’t it near sleepy hollow?
JoeCamel
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Just a nit to pick but Tennessee the place the Wilderness Road started from? The Cumberland Gap? Daniel Boone? Davy Crockett?
Not the frontier?
Anyone else wondering how they'll visually rework the side that borders Haunted Mansion? Surely they're not going to have Cars race by Haunted Mansion without some type of berm and thematic transition?
EricsBiscuit
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At this point, I would rather they build a half baked 5th gate than continue to bulldoze whole sections of the parks designed by WED to put their mediocre replacements.
Streetway Again
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A man stands in front of his house, burning down
“I know what would stop this problem! More gasoline!”
A fifth gate would solve nothing wrong with wdw, and make the problems they have with capacity and everything worse.
Based on the concept art, that side is a path presumably to Villains and the second Cars attraction and there are trees on both sides of the walkway.
James Alucobond
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In the art, it goes Haunted queue > trees > wide path > more trees > Cars area. The entire queue for HM is a low semi-enclosed path. It’s not like you ever actually get up to the mansion’s main entry where you might be able to look down into Cars.