GoofGoof
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The announcement said a whole new theater show so it does not seem likely.
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DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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mickEblu
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Actually they said you can have the coaster AND a new show AND we’ll put the old Aerosmith theme out of its misery on RnRc AND retheme it to the Muppets.
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JD80
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So did @Casper Gutman take @mattpeto charity bet or did he gloss over that post?
mickEblu
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True it may be a little more boring looking from what we can see in the concept art. The fact that the weenie and anchor of the land is an industrial looking building doesn’t help. With that said, IMO the net gain of a themed indoor coaster (and new show) makes the slight *potential* aesthetic downgrade worth it. Unless you are a huge MV3D fan of course.
Captain Barbossa
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Some interesting tidbits about muppetvision and monsters inc from Jim Hill and Len Testa during the Disney dish today:
- Even as far back as multiple months before d23, muppets to RNRC and monsters to Grand Park has ALWAYS been the plan, and. BOTH were supposed to be at d23 august
- Disney P.R. were the ones who said “lets not do it live because of fears of live streamers recording protest walkouts and calling out Disney”
- After D23, Disney quietly let a group of Imagineers do a study about how much it would cost to put Monsters in Animation Courtyard as an alternative, but it would set the project back a full year due to demolition costs. They want to be fast due to wanting to be ready by Epic's Phase 2
- for muppets RNRC, Jim and Len are expecting a mix of re-recorded Muppets music and famous rock songs
- The last thing they talk about is Imagineering having conversations about bringing back MuppetVision into the Disney Parks and how he hopes it's true. (I was consfused, because despite the official word from Disney, i want to clarify Jim specifically says Bringing back muppetvision into the Disney parks) Len then counters with "well, I know what you know so that's all I'll say". Convo ends there.
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Casper Gutman
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I was kind enough to ignore that bit of childish social media silliness, yes.
Tell you what, why don't we wait and see if the project gets built as announced. As cuts and budget-driven alterations occur, you can say they were never important anyway. When the final product opens and its disappointing, you can grumble at anyone who points that out, focus on the next PR release from Disney, and ignore the whole repeating cycle - just like with Tiana or the EPCOT expansion or the MGM expansion...
And if a strong, significant show goes into Muppets theater, a substantial Muppets overlay goes into RnRC, and a major Villains Land gets built this decade, I'll post that you were right and I was wrong. And if MV3D returns to a Disney park, I'll add some emojis.
mattpeto
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My childish position is they will have a 2nd attraction/show at Monstropolis, yet you beg to differ that it will ever be. I was willing to donate my $100 to the charity of your choice since you were so confident they weren’t going to follow through.
But now you’re moving the goalpost to now it’s gotta be a “significant show”. How convenient.
You make a ton of elegant and thoughtful posts and overall I appreciate your point of view. But you keep double downing “that nothing will be built” is ludicrous.
Casper Gutman
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Yes, I'm not going to praise Disney if a fast, cheap costumed character show replaces the best 3D theater attraction ever made. Why would I?
Some "things" will be built (for better or worse). South America in AK, Cars in Frontierland, the Monsters Coaster - I'd say those have an 90% of opening eventually, with the timeline contingent on what happens at Disney and in the world at large over the next several years. A second Cars ride, a major show in Muppets Theater, the RnRC overlay, Villains Land, the Bugs replacement - I think you definitely get a couple of those, but the chances they are all built within a decade is vanishingly small. Nothing will open in Animation Courtyard in the 2020s. It really isn't hard to carefully read Disney's wording, judge its behavior, extrapolate from past experience, and make projections about the future of the company and the world.
Again... which Phase 2s have been built in the last several decades? Which Phase 1s have escaped huge cuts? The physical geography of Disney World is testament to last minute cuts even after construction began. SWL has a giant gap in a block of buildings where a restaurant was supposed to go, the parking lots at MGM were reconfigured for a large land that was never built, massive pavilions earmarked for development sit empty at EPCOT...
Casper Gutman
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The "Muppet Replacement Show" feels a lot like Play Pavilion vers 2.0
PS: Totally hypothetically, how do we think Disney will react when the price of all construction goes up 25% or more? Not that there's any reason at all to think it will.
PS: Totally hypothetically, how do we think Disney will react when the price of all construction goes up 25% or more? Not that there's any reason at all to think it will.
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erasure fan1
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Yup. No matter what you think of the Muppets, the show was in no way a basic 3D movie. It was extremely impressive from a technical standpoint. And Disney has a pretty solid track record of the replacement being a sizable downgrade in scope from the original.
Don't forget the roaming droids and the bantha attraction, and all the interaction with the cast members with stuff like how you did on the falcon. Disney world is littered with the remnants of what was supposed to be.
How is it like that besides you assuming/wanting it to be?
Professortango1
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Wait...the Zootopia attraction in Tree of Life will be a costumed character show?
Fox&Hound
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And Mickey
JD80
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Loudest person in the room calling others childish.
Casper Gutman
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Posters who are dubious of this project have provided copious evidence and explanation backing up their positions. Feel free to do the same. I suggest you start with the many, many Phase 2s Disney has built over the last decades in Florida. Or perhaps you could look at all the expansions that didn't suffer massive cuts during both development and construction. You might also offer some analysis of the impact of the new management team, being sure to address Wall Street's attitude towards theme park capital expenditures.
You almost always ignore my question, but here's a pretty basic one: Why is it a good idea for Disney to remove a high capacity family attraction that receives consistently high guest scores from a park in desperate need of capacity and family attractions?
Wondering if anyone else with apparent info has heard anything along these lines. Pretty interesting stuff. The muppetvision ride truly never ends.