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News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

nickys

nickys

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BrianLo said:
Regarding the hotel side of the conversation. This just occurred to me, are these the first deluxe cash rooms Igers tenure has ever added to WDW? Please fact check me, I might be forgetting something.

We seem to have been only slowly reducing them for the last 20 years and shifting the guest mix towards value with art of animation juicing that pool and even some moderate reduction occurring with Riviera and the Cabins.

Maybe we don’t need them? But this begs the question, how horribly did Eisner overbuild hotels if the mix was this bad? We talk about how hotels drowned Euro Disney all the time, but did he also kind of screw the pooch at WDW? The counterpoint is Iger perhaps failed to continue to expand to fill them.
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Iger took over in 2012 I think? In which case yes you are correct.

If Reflections is actually built as a hybrid regular & DVC resort, I think it will be the first since the Boardwalk in 1996. That’s why I’m not convinced that it will be.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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nickys said:
Iger took over in 2012 I think? In which case yes you are correct.

If Reflections is actually built as a hybrid regular & DVC resort, I think it will be the first since the Boardwalk in 1996. That’s why I’m not convinced that it will be.
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2005! Yes, really.

The planned footprint is so large. It could not be hybrid, but the fact it is seemingly unchanged by the layout would make a really, really, really big DVC.

I also feel like they regret not having some revenue rooms in Riviera, to an extent. Still think a second phase of that occurs before 2042.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
BrianLo said:
2005! Yes, really.

The planned footprint is so large. It could not be hybrid, but the fact it is seemingly unchanged by the layout would make a really, really, really big DVC.

I also feel like they regret not having some revenue rooms in Riviera, to an extent. Still think a second phase of that occurs before 2042.
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Why do you say it could not be a hybrid whilst saying you think they’ll make Riviera a hybrid?
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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nickys said:
Why do you say it could not be a hybrid whilst saying you think they’ll make Riviera a hybrid?
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Sorry, worded funny. I think it will be a hybrid.

I just was saying if you are right and it isn’t, it’s going to be an awfully big DVC. Probably too big. Hence why I think it is still hybrid.

I’d need more evidence that wings have been taken off the hotel to think they’ve walked back on their original plans.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
BrianLo said:
Sorry, worded funny. I think it will be a hybrid.

I just was saying if you are right and it isn’t, it’s going to be an awfully big DVC. Probably too big. Hence why I think it is still hybrid.

I’d need more evidence that wings have been taken off the hotel to think they’ve walked back on their original plans.
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I see now!

But this is what confuses me. I thought Reflections was announced as a DVC resort. Did I miss them saying it would be a hybrid resort?
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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nickys said:
I see now!

But this is what confuses me. I thought Reflections was announced as a DVC resort. Did I miss them saying it would be a hybrid resort?
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Oh yes, it was announced as a hybrid. With 900+ rooms across both the hotel and DVC wings.

We got concept art for all the DVC unit types, including Pods (Duo Studios), Studios through Grand Villa as well as hotel rooms, 1 bedroom hotel suites and a Presidential Hotel Suite. Chapek announced separately the presence of A frame DVC units and treehouse cabins.

That’s why I’m also a bit more confident on the Lazy River follow through. Since there’s revenue rooms there too and the sheer size of the resort.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
BrianLo said:
Oh yes, it was announced as a hybrid. With 900+ rooms across both the hotel and DVC wings.

We got concept art for all the DVC unit types, including Pods (Duo Studios), Studios through Grand Villa as well as hotel rooms, 1 bedroom hotel suites and a Presidential Hotel Suite. Chapek announced separately the presence of A frame DVC units and treehouse cabins.

That’s why I’m also a bit more confident on the Lazy River follow through. Since there’s revenue rooms there too and the sheer size of the resort.
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Thanks, I had to go back and look. With 900 rooms It’ll be about the size as the Boardwalk or Poly (pre-tower).

Not sure I agree with you on the lazy river, though I hope you’re right. They take a lot of maintenance and staffing, and it was always said on this forum that they’d never repeat an SAB scale pool.
 
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MouseEarsMom33

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freediverdude said:
Reflections doesn't sound interesting to me at all, and I'm not sure what other add-ons they can build before 2042. The only deluxe without a DVC side now is Yacht Club, and that's probably because of space available and the convention center. I guess we could get the rumored replacement of the Contemporary south wing. I wonder if they have considered turning some or all of a moderate resort into DVC.
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Wasn't there a rumor about 2 years back of another EPCOT resort with an entrance near or directly into the park, but not in World Showcase?

Also another hotel that would connect directly into MK near Villains expansion?

Both of those would very likely be deluxe/DVC.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
MouseEarsMom33 said:
That's why they need Reflections ASAP. There is "trust" language built into the CFW contracts. The thinking is Reflections may become part of that trust and would help bring down annual dues.
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I don’t see how Reflections can bring down the annual dues unless they make them the same association & resort.

In any case, the annual dues need to cover the cost of replacing the Cabins. If they want to reduce the annual dues for the cabins those for Reflections will have to be higher than normal. And they have different cabin styles too, which will also need to be replaced.
 

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