GhostHost1000
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Plenty of spots at MK and Epcot where bottlenecks of people can occur regardless of the crowd levels and 3 hours before for any flight at MCO is pretty much recommended for all
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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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Ayla
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MCO is a domestic airport where three hours is recommended, because security is terrible. They aren't breaking any news.
Weather_Lady
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We visited in the latter days of the COVID pandemic, during late August, when everything was standby-only, masking requirements were still in place, and crowds were low, and we were keenly aware that G+ and ILL were soon to be introduced, which would then incentivize WDW to keep attractions short-staffed and ride lines long, forever after.
It was the most wonderful Disney vacation we've ever taken, or ever could take: it was like the dreams we all have sometimes where we have an entire theme park to ourselves! As my family sauntered spontaneously into a constantly-moving 20-minute Slinky Dog Dash line in the middle of the afternoon, I said to the kids, "remember this vacation, you guys: enjoy every moment and hold onto it forever, because after this, Disney trips are all going to be downhill from here." When we came back two years later during the same week, with unrelenting long lines, needless short-staffing, and the stress of being on one side or the other of a visible caste system for every attraction, my son -- my teenage son -- actually looked at me and said, "Wow Mom, you were right!" (Talk about a moment to hold onto forever!)
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allgiggles
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I agree. My son recently met a family who went to Disney World for the first time in January 2024 and they were already planning another trip for August. Why? Because when they went in January, they had no idea that Genie+ existed (or how to use it) and that by staying on property (which they were) they could enter the parks 30 minutes early. They also didn't know there was transportation from the resort to the parks. They rented a car because they thought they had to drive everywhere. They did figure out very quickly that they could take a bus rather than drive. They felt like they got very little accomplished the first several days of their trip (they also thought that 5 days in the parks would be enough time to do *every* ride/show in *every* park). They were very disappointed when they realized how much time they were spending in line. They noticed the Lighting Lane lines, but never asked CMs what they were and who could use them. Then they had a conversation with someone on a bus on the way back to the resort who told them about Genie+ and EE. Now they're going back to take advantage of those things for their entire trip rather than just the last 2 days of their stay. I realize that there is a lot to learn about a trip to Disney, but Genie+, EE, and park transportation are thrown in your face constantly if you're staying on property. I don't understand how someone can *not* be aware of these things before arrival.
Pooh, Ariel, and Space down at MK. RnRC still offline at DHS with 6 attractions currently at or above 70 minute waits. Even Star Tours is close to an hour.
Genie selling out in both parks?
I wonder how many ride activations that $35/person will get you today at DHS.
Genie selling out in both parks?
I wonder how many ride activations that $35/person will get you today at DHS.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Ouch - well at least Splash, the Country Bears, and Stitch can all take up the extra capacity at MKPooh, Ariel, and Space down at MK. RnRC still offline at DHS with 6 attractions currently at or above 70 minute waits. Even Star Tours is close to an hour.
Genie selling out in both parks?
I wonder how many ride activations that $35/person will get you today at DHS.
Weather_Lady
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With how much a WDW vacation costs, the only conclusion I can reach is that such people must have so much money and/or so much leisure time that they don't feel the slightest need to try and make the most out of their vacations.
Ayla
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Or, it is their very first visit/haven't visited since they were kids and they can't possibly fathom how complicated a "vacation" it has become.
Splash4eva
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The internet is a beautiful thing… actually can be very useful at times vs posting a pic of your waffles and ice cream at your local diner to garnish some likes from people you dont even know
DryerLintFan
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Ayla
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I have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean.The internet is a beautiful thing… actually can be very useful at times vs posting a pic of your waffles and ice cream at your local diner to garnish some likes from people you dont even know
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
This was Christmas Day 2017 at around 11am
It certainly does get crowded. Just a sea of unhappy people
DryerLintFan
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They’re saying if the people going used the internet for anything besides posting food pics to social media they could look up how Disney works now.
Which i disagree with because even as a veteran of these forums the new systems are hard to fully get.
Ayla
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Yep. I have visited 2-3 times a year every year since 2006. I am on this board almost every day and keep up with changes, etc at Disney. My last trip was almost 2 years ago in May of 2022. If somebody asked me today to explain Genie+ to them, they'd get a blank look and maybe a "well, I know it costs whatever they decide to charge that day when you try to buy it (is it at midnight? 7am?
) and it only works on certain rides and you can book at 7am (or is it when the parks open? ). Don't ask me about actual details, I have no frigging idea. Oh! Don't forget about the other rip-off, INDIVIDUAL LIGHTNING LANE, which charges you MORE to ride! And don't get me started on virtual queues and being tethered all day to your phone...good luck and have a great time on your vacation!!" 
JohnD
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I went with a family to WDW two weeks ago. Prior to that we had "pre-meetings" about transportation, dining, G+/ILL, etc. The wife, being a geek like me, took it all in and did her own research when I wasn't meeting with them. She even brought up every ride on a computer screen with her son to get his input on what he wanted to do. Now THAT's research. By the time of the trip, we divided and conquered. I selected VQ at 7am and purchased ILL at park open (we stayed off-site). She mostly picked the G+ rides throughout the day, always ready for the next ride every two hours after park open. She even got fancy with it, scheduling MF:SR for her and her son and ToT for her husband and myself at the same time. We were so methodic we got basically everything in HS and what we wanted in MK and Epcot.
Splash4eva
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It was semi sarcastic meaning no matter what the reason is its nothing more than an excuse imo. Who goes away on a vacation anywhere completely blind especially to Disney.
Purduevian
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I'm still not sure what my price limit is for G+... but I actually I know I'm not there yet.
Currently my family is just my wife, my <3 year old son, and myself.
My last Disney trip... for 2 park days I spent $417.11 a day on tickets (park hoppers), $315.85 per night at the Swan, $75 per day on photo pass, and averaged $131.40 a day on food and drink. So for 2 people (son was "free"), I'm spending $939.36 to enjoy a day in the park ($447.25 on non-park days). This doesn't even include the plane tickets or transportation to WDW from MCO. My son gets up early allowing us to make an 8:30am rope drop, but we have to leave the parks by 7:30pm to get him to bed. Meaning I have ~11 hours of park time a day. Every hour I am in the park, it costs my family ~$85.40 or $1.42 a minute.
Waiting in line is "wasted" time in my day. In order to be worth it to me is the cost of G+ it must save my family: The cost of G+/$1.42 to be "worth it".
If Genie plus is $40 per person (total of 80), 80/1.42= 56 minutes saved... A single LL for many of the big name rides can easily save 56 minutes, I usually get at least 2-3 "big" rides a day.
As awful as it sounds... $40 per person is only ~8.5% increase on the price of my park day... If 8.5% less of my day is spent in lines...
I wish this wasn't the system we had... but this system is still worth it for me.
Currently my family is just my wife, my <3 year old son, and myself.
My last Disney trip... for 2 park days I spent $417.11 a day on tickets (park hoppers), $315.85 per night at the Swan, $75 per day on photo pass, and averaged $131.40 a day on food and drink. So for 2 people (son was "free"), I'm spending $939.36 to enjoy a day in the park ($447.25 on non-park days). This doesn't even include the plane tickets or transportation to WDW from MCO. My son gets up early allowing us to make an 8:30am rope drop, but we have to leave the parks by 7:30pm to get him to bed. Meaning I have ~11 hours of park time a day. Every hour I am in the park, it costs my family ~$85.40 or $1.42 a minute.
Waiting in line is "wasted" time in my day. In order to be worth it to me is the cost of G+ it must save my family: The cost of G+/$1.42 to be "worth it".
If Genie plus is $40 per person (total of 80), 80/1.42= 56 minutes saved... A single LL for many of the big name rides can easily save 56 minutes, I usually get at least 2-3 "big" rides a day.
As awful as it sounds... $40 per person is only ~8.5% increase on the price of my park day... If 8.5% less of my day is spent in lines...
I wish this wasn't the system we had... but this system is still worth it for me.
Jenny72
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It's funny...my kids won't let me buy Genie+ because they say they'll feel too bad for the people waiting in line, and they'll feel like jerks getting on rides ahead of others. I'm not eager to buy Genie+, so it works out fine, but it's not the response I expected from my kids, who are not notably more angelic than other kids. I think it just offends their sense of justice somehow.
What was it someone said a few posts back? You have to be on either side of the caste system on every ride. Man, I hate that they've made us choose that.
What was it someone said a few posts back? You have to be on either side of the caste system on every ride. Man, I hate that they've made us choose that.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Also time of day matters. You take a picture in between Peter Pan and the Rapunzel bathrooms at MK on a crowd level 1 day at noon and it’s going to look pretty crowded.