EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Why is there even a que for this? I hate to say it but this attraction to me is underwhelming. It’s a good landscape and nice spot to walk thru but the features are nothing worth waiting in line for.
It's new. People want to see it because it's new.

Like a new popcorn bucket.

It hasn't gone through it's life cycle in which people skip it because they've seen it already.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
But who said the rules would be the same for CMs and APs?

Disney allowed Cast Members to bring whoever they wish. There’s no good reason to expect the exact same from Annual Passholder previews - the purposes of CM previews and AP previews are different and they can conduct them how they choose.
I heard AP's were having picnics in the exploration trail.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I love that people immediately dismiss this as a temporary blip but point to similar circumstances with, say, limited-time Figment things and claim they’re clear evidence of his ability to sustain heavy engagement long-term. Not saying either is or isn’t the case, but the confirmation bias is real.
Figment has proven his popularity for over 20 years despite the neglect of management. This walk-through exploration trail will be of limited interest to a lot of park guests. And I don't really think yours is an apples-to-apples comparison, but I understand your point.
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
Figment has proven his popularity for over 20 years despite the neglect of management.
His popularity explodes for a couple of days when a new or limited availability thing appears. His ride is a walk-on, though that is admittedly an unfair metric since it’s pretty garbage. Does his meet and greet still draw significant lines even just a couple of weeks out? Genuinely curious as I don’t know the answer, but I haven’t seen continued obvious overcrowding on any streams.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
His popularity explodes for a couple of days when a new or limited availability thing appears. His ride is a walk-on, though that is admittedly an unfair metric since it’s pretty garbage. Does his meet and greet still draw significant lines even just a couple of weeks out? Genuinely curious as I don’t know the answer, but I haven’t seen continued obvious overcrowding on any streams.
I think the Mr. Toad popcorn bucket in comparison the Figment bucket can help illustrate what HP is getting at. When they announced Mr. Toad would be closing at WDW, people made custom t shirts and held protests on site. 25 years later, the Toad popcorn bucket lasted like 3 months instead of the few days they expected (and advertised).
 
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TP2000

Well-Known Member
I am baffled at the need (or is it just a TDO bureaucratic want?) for all of this safety warning signage for this.

At the entrance there are four (4!) different shapes and sizes of signs that have different and sometimes duplicate warnings and instructions on them. Why? Then they staff all the signage with an immersive hostess from Moana's kingdom to speak to you about all the signage surrounding her.

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But my goodness, it's that big sign behind the hostess podium that really takes the cake. "Magical", it is certainly not. :eek:

Any Disney attraction with warnings about "DIARRHEA" and "SWIM DIAPERS" and "BATHING LOADS" needs a rethink, in my opinion. (What the heck is a "bathing load"?) It's almost too bad they couldn't get Imodium as a corporate sponsor.

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Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I am baffled at the need (or is it just a TDO bureaucratic want?) for all of this safety warning signage for this.

At the entrance there are four (4!) different shapes and sizes of signs that have different and sometimes duplicate warnings and instructions on them. Why? Then they staff all the signage with an immersive hostess from Moana's kingdom to speak to you about all the signage surrounding her.

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But my goodness, it's that big sign behind the hostess podium that really takes the cake. "Magical", it is certainly not. :eek:

Any Disney attraction with warnings about "DIARRHEA" and "SWIM DIAPERS" and "BATHING LOADS" needs a rethink, in my opinion. (What the heck is a "bathing load"?) It's almost too bad they couldn't get Imodium as a corporate sponsor.

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Blame the current day US litigious society for this.
You can't buy a bucket, or plastic bag without a warning on it.
Vehicles will soon have "Check for your children before exiting" messages in them if the don't already.
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
I am baffled at the need (or is it just a TDO bureaucratic want?) for all of this safety warning signage for this.

At the entrance there are four (4!) different shapes and sizes of signs that have different and sometimes duplicate warnings and instructions on them. Why? Then they staff all the signage with an immersive hostess from Moana's kingdom to speak to you about all the signage surrounding her.

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But my goodness, it's that big sign behind the hostess podium that really takes the cake. "Magical", it is certainly not. :eek:

Any Disney attraction with warnings about "DIARRHEA" and "SWIM DIAPERS" and "BATHING LOADS" needs a rethink, in my opinion. (What the heck is a "bathing load"?) It's almost too bad they couldn't get Imodium as a corporate sponsor.

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Those are usually required for water play areas. This is much like what you would see at a splash pad or the like. The corporate lawyer in me is guessing Disney Legal saw the possibility of the classification, so they required signage accordingly.

The others are more about actual communication and relevant warnings IMHO.
 

MrPromey

Well-Known Member
Blame the current day US litigious society for this.
You can't buy a bucket, or plastic bag without a warning on it.
Vehicles will soon have "Check for your children before exiting" messages in them if the don't already.
Mine does if it senses something that creates movement in the back seat using an ultrasonic sensor after it's turned off and the driver's door is opened it makes a sound and throws something up on the dash console.
 
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MrPromey

Well-Known Member
I love that people immediately dismiss this as a temporary blip but point to similar circumstances with, say, limited-time Figment things and claim they’re clear evidence of his ability to sustain heavy engagement long-term. Not saying either is or isn’t the case, but the confirmation bias is real.
It should be a temporary blip in terms of strong demand.

If this requires any real queue a year after opening (except maybe major holidays) there is something seriously wrong with Epcot.

That the river ride in Pandora typically has over an hour wait is a sign that park is in need of more.

While I'm never going to agree with the particular placement of this, all the parks need more stuff like this that shouldn't command huge crowds or have waits to offset the e-tickets that probably always will.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
It should be a temporary blip in terms of strong demand.

If this requires any real queue a year after opening (except maybe major holidays) there is something seriously wrong with Epcot.

That the river ride in Pandora typically has over an hour wait is a sign that park is in need of more.

While I'm never going to agree with the particular placement of this, all the parks need more stuff like this that shouldn't command huge crowds or have waits to offset the e-tickets that probably always will.

I used to think this too but now I'm not so sure.

While people on this site tend to be very down on it, I get the feeling the general public must like it. It's been around long enough that nearly everyone queueing for it knows what it is, and it still regularly has the second longest wait in the park (sometimes it even has a longer wait than FoP, although that's not the standard).

If DAK had more to do I'm sure the wait would decrease to an extent, but at this point I'm inclined to think it would still be among the busiest rides at the park.
 

MrPromey

Well-Known Member
I used to think this too but now I'm not so sure.

While people on this site tend to be very down on it, I get the feeling the general public must like it. It's been around long enough that nearly everyone queueing for it knows what it is, and it still regularly has the second longest wait in the park (sometimes it even has a longer wait than FoP, although that's not the standard).

If DAK had more to do I'm sure the wait would decrease to an extent, but at this point I'm inclined to think it would still be among the busiest rides at the park.
It's still one of the two newest attractions.

We'll have go agree to disagree on it's merits but I'm okay with that. :)
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
It's still one of the two newest attractions.

We'll have go agree to disagree on it's merits but I'm okay with that. :)

It being one of the newest attractions is essentially irrelevant now, though. It's really no longer new enough to be getting a boost solely from newness; it's been open for over 6 years. It's not like Nemo and Gran Fiesta Tour were the busiest attractions at EPCOT before Frozen Ever After opened.

Any personal feelings aside, it has to be relatively well liked to get those waits over everything else at the park (including Flight of Passage at times) at this point. If people thought it was bad/didn't like it, they certainly wouldn't queue for an hour to ride it, considering they don't do that for other attractions at the park.

I'm personally glad it gets the waits (although it would be better if they were shorter for multiple reasons), since it's an excellent C ticket. It's not better than Expedition Everest (and certainly not better than the Safari), but it would be nice if Disney would take lessons from it on how to design future attractions. Despite its flaws, it does the fundamentals better than nearly everything else they've built since it opened and it probably has the best use of screens/projections of any attraction at WDW except maybe Rise.

All that said, I think the strongest counter argument is that it's one of the only rides at the park with no height requirement.
 
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MrPromey

Well-Known Member
It being one of the newest attractions is essentially irrelevant now, though. It's really no longer new enough to be getting a boost solely from newness; it's been open for over 6 years. It's not like Nemo and Gran Fiesta Tour were the busiest attractions at EPCOT before Frozen Ever After opened.

Any personal feelings aside, it has to be relatively well liked to get those waits over everything else at the park (including Flight of Passage at times) at this point. If people thought it was bad/didn't like it, they certainly wouldn't queue for an hour to ride it, considering they don't do that for other attractions at the park.

I'm personally glad it gets the waits (although it would be better if they were shorter for multiple reasons), since it's an excellent C ticket. It's not better than Expedition Everest (and certainly not better than the Safari), but it would be nice if Disney would take lessons from it on how to design future attractions. Despite its flaws, it does the fundamentals better than nearly everything else they've built since it opened and it probably has the best use of screens/projections of any attraction at WDW except maybe Rise.

All that said, I think the strongest counter argument is that it's one of the only rides at the park with no height requirement.
I'm not saying it's inherently bad and I hope you don't think I was doging on it. I don't think they intended it to have 70+ minute waits regularly when they designed it.

My opinion is just that, especially given how short it is and how nothing particularly spectacular happens on it, that it's not worth that wait, IMO.

I remember back when it first opened and people were p!ssed after waiting 90-120 minutes to ride it and then finding out how it was. Someone was defending it saying it wasn't a bad ride and would certainly be worth the 30 minute wait it'll probably have once the newness wears off... and here we are. 🤷‍♂️

I'd ride it again but I wouldn't wait 70+ minutes to.

The height restriction observation is a good one.

I like Tough to Be a Bug but given that it's also one of those attractions without a height requirement that, by the nature of the type of attraction it is, would hold young kid's attention better than something like the bird show, I understand why they might be changing it (Was the Zootopia another blue sky or did they say they were actually doing that one? I can't keep track anymore).
 
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THEMEPARKPIONEER

Well-Known Member
It's new. People want to see it because it's new.

Like a new popcorn bucket.

It hasn't gone through it's life cycle in which people skip it because they've seen it already.
For someone who loves Typhoon Lagoon it’s like why bother wait, if there was a bench and a snack in my hand I’d love to just hang out in that spot but to me it stands in the shadow of Typhoon Lagoon. It doesn’t hold a candle to typhoon lagoons overlook trail.
 

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