'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[MisterPenguin]

"Bad marketing" is an excuse. It has the lowest CinemaScore of any Disney movie ever.

Disney *animated* movie.

There are other "B's" in the live-action department.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Disney *animated* movie.

There are other "B's" in the live-action department.

Yes. WDAS feature films are what I consider the Disney Canon and I use "Disney" to refer to that body of work.

 

[Consumer]

This honestly has been one of the most interesting and engaging discussions I've had on a Disney forum. I really respect the moderation of this website for allowing controversial topics to be discussed, permitting they don't get unruly (which I don't believe this one has).

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes. WDAS feature films are what I consider the Disney Canon and I use "Disney" to refer to that body of work.

 

[TwilightZone]

Marvel is a good point, because Marvel is story/action first, representation later. Except maybe She-Hulk which tried too hard to make her a "strong woman" and not in the physical sense if you get my gist.

 

[mickEblu]

You know exactly what you have posted. I'm not spending one more second of my time with you.

I’m confused as well. I think you may be responding to so many people that you have him confused with somebody else.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Marvel is a good point, because Marvel is story/action first, representation later. Except maybe She-Hulk which tried too hard to make her a "strong woman" and not in the physical sense if you get my gist.

Black Panther was an unapologetically  Black movie, and it also happened to be excellent, so all sorts of people loved it. Diversity isn't the problem. Sacrificing quality at the altar of diversity is the problem.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Your anger is what they want, though.

Anyway, while the box office of Disney animated movies featuring gay characters hasn't been great (Onward, Lightyear, Strange World) I notice that Marvel movies featuring gay characters have either done decently at the box office (Thor: Love and Thunder, Eternals) or have been extremely profitable (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever). So maybe the MCU is where Disney will have the most success at gay inclusion. The gay rep has only been minor so far, but I am optimistic Marvel will offer more substantial representation in the near future.

I think the Young Avengers will probably be the best opportunity for LGBT rep. Billy Kaplan/Wiccan (one of Wanda's twins) is gay and his relationship with Hulkling is the most famous gay couple in Marvel history. Speed (Wiccan's twin brother), America Chavez, Prodigy, Noh-Var and Young Loki are other members of the Young Avengers who are either gay, lesbian or bi. At one point in the comics, Kate Bishop jokes "Am I the only straight person on the team!?"

My "anger is what they want"? Are they vampires? Anyway, who cares. This board is mobbed with phobes, more than ever before. . It's despicable. Have a good night.

 

[Ghost93]

Marvel is a good point, because Marvel is story/action first, representation later. Except maybe She-Hulk which tried too hard to make her a "strong woman" and not in the physical sense if you get my gist.

I think She-Hulk was a decent show that got a lot of hate because it just isn't what the average MCU fan wanted. It was a lawyer/sitcom, not really a superhero show. It was never going to be everyone's cup of tea. I liked it, but can also see why some couldn't get into it.

 

[Consumer]

Marvel is a good point, because Marvel is story/action first, representation later. Except maybe She-Hulk which tried too hard to make her a "strong woman" and not in the physical sense if you get my gist.

More importantly, they're PG-13.

 

[BuddyThomas]

This honestly has been one of the most interesting and engaging discussions I've had on a Disney forum. I really respect the moderation of this website for allowing controversial topics to be discussed, permitting they don't get unruly (which I don't believe this one has).

The only reason that this has been allowed to continue is because people have not been slamming their finger on the report button. I never report. Once people do, the mods come and have a delete-a-thon.

 

[TwilightZone]

More importantly, they're PG-13.

Meh speaking from experience, that isn't stopping a lot of young children from seeing it with their mom and dad

 

[Ghost93]

My "anger is what they want"? Are they vampires?

No, vampires tend to be less homophobic.

 

[TP2000]

Black Panther was an unapologetically  Black movie, and it also happened to be excellent, so all sorts of people loved it. Diversity isn't the problem. Sacrificing quality at the altar of diversity is the problem.

Agreed. Black Panther seems to be a great movie, which just happens to be set in a fictional African nation.

What I found interesting is that the wife and son in Strange World are Black, and yet Black folks in the US stayed away in droves from it. While Asians saw Strange World in numbers far higher than their population average in the US.

Opening Weekend US Demographics for Strange World

Blacks = 6% of audience, and 14% of Americans
Asians = 22% of audience, and 8% of Americans

The white and Latinoxe audiences more roughly followed their demographic patterns in 2022 America.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think She-Hulk was a decent show that got a lot of hate because it just isn't what the average MCU fan wanted. It was a lawyer/sitcom, not really a superhero show. It was never going to be everyone's cup of tea. I liked it, but can also see why some couldn't get into it.

I hated She-Hulk but this is how I feel about Ms. Marvel. I thought that show was fantastic and it's probably the only Marvel content I'd show my 8 year old because it's not uber violent and it's about real family relationships. But the Marvel fanboys never gave it a chance.

 

[Californian Elitist]

No, vampires tend to be less homophobic.

This reminds me that I still need to start Interview with the Vampire. Two beautiful gay vampires raising a child together? Yes, please.

 

[TP2000]

I wonder- should the old vault titles been pay per view?

It's interesting that at one point Disney practiced forced scarcity and was very careful about protecting the legacy of their beloved animated films. But then a few years ago they said 'nevermind!' and it all went out the window.

Oh, that's a good point! I hadn't thought about it like that, but you're right.

Iger and Chapek both seem to have been so desperate to get Disney+ up off the ground, they threw all the family jewels at it that they could get their hands on. Old treasures, new films with incredibly bloated budgets, stuff that could have been meted out in measured doses to keep the audience hanging on, etc., etc.

Instead, it was all put out there for 8 bucks a month. For Free! in the minds of many consumers. Big mistake.

Which makes me chuckle that in this time of corporate crisis, they brought back the guy who mostly engineered the current strategy; Bob Iger. That guy? Now? Really? That's your plan?

There definitely needs to be two tiers of Pixar/WDA films- theatrical budget stuff, and straight to D+ stuff. Let the A team take over the theatrical stuff, and the interns experiment on the streaming platform before proving themselves for the big leagues.

But when their theatrical stuff is Strange World quality getting beat by such modern classics as The Minions: Rise of Gru I guess it doesn't matter.

When you spend $180 Million on Strange World, or $200 Million on Lightyear, you better darn well make sure its a film that's going to be an easy win for the company. Not even Disney can throw a few hundred million onto a Christmas bonfire. At least they can't do that for more than two Christmases in a row before they run out of money.

 

[Ghost93]

I hated She-Hulk but this is how I feel about Ms. Marvel. I thought that show was fantastic and it's probably the only Marvel content I'd show my 8 year old because it's not uber violent and it's about real family relationships. But the Marvel fanboys never gave it a chance.

One of the things I like about Phase 4 of Marvel is the bolder artistic swings they have taken. However, many of the projects have been more divisive because Marvel is leaning hard into specific genres. Fans of WandaVision may not necessarily like Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Eternals and Thor: Love and Thunder are completely different in terms of tone, vibe and visuals. A somber movie like Wakanda Forever is NOTHING like the goofy shenanigans of She-Hulk. Young tweens that like and relate to Ms. Marvel may not be able to sit through a adult character-driven drama like Moon Knight.

Before Phase 4, the Marvel projects were a bit more homogenous. The MCU has taken more risks lately, but the reactions to the risks have been mixed.

 

[Consumer]

Meh speaking from experience, that isn't stopping a lot of young children from seeing it with their mom and dad

My point was more that parents go into Marvel movies expecting their children to see more mature content. If you're ok with your kids seeing cities blow up and hearing profanity, you probably also don't have a big problem with them being exposed to homosexual relationships. Of course, that's not always true, but serves as a general observation. I know that, of the Marvel movies, there are very few I actually would be ok with my children watching, and it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Disney movies, on the other hand, are expected to be safe for everybody to enjoy. Yes, there may be some mature content (such as the Evil Queen wanting Snow White's heart), but it's never graphic or glorifying.

 

[TP2000]

My point was more that parents go into Marvel movies expecting their children to see more mature content. If you're ok with your kids seeing cities blow up and hearing profanity, you probably also don't have a big problem with them being exposed to homosexual relationships. Of course, that's not always true, but serves as a general observation. I know that, of the Marvel movies, there are very few I actually would be ok with my children watching, and it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Disney movies, on the other hand, are expected to be safe for everybody to enjoy. Yes, there may be some mature content (such as the Evil Queen wanting Snow White's heart), but it's never graphic or glorifying.

That's it exactly.

There's a huge difference between an 8 year old boy and a 14 year old boy. I don't blame parents one bit for wanting to keep their 8 year old an 8 year old. That's their perfect and sacred right as parents, in any era or country or language.