Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It’s because of the cost and what you require people to be comfortable with just to get there. That is the difference.

So how many hard cap $100 express passes do you sell? What do you say when half of not more decide they want it in magic kingdom?
Disney complaints aren’t like six flags complaints. They ruin the ambience and that is a big part of what they sell.

They’re trying to “ration”
Without openly advertising why they have to…and thread a needle and make profit.

Gonna be a lot more fights in fantasyland if they make getting on Pooh with the kids a dog eat dog world
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The multigate problem is unique to WDW even among Disney Parks, imo. What do you do with hoppers in a hard cap/single price model? It works well at Universal now, but I have my doubts a purchase of the similar product will extend to Epic in 2025. Maybe it will, and they'll expand sales to account for all three parks. But if 2/3 of the day's purchasers are in Epic that day, their park time won't be as enjoyable as it is in present times. Even worse, imagine a majority of the hard cap purchasers are vying for Rise and Slinky, or Tron, SDMT, and "the mountains," away from the other three gates for some majority of the day.



On another note, which will be the recession enticement later this year/early next? The return of DDP and free dining, or free G+ for onsite guests?
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It’s because of the cost and what you require people to be comfortable with just to get there. That is the difference.

So how many hard cap $100 express passes do you sell? What do you say when half of not more decide they want it in magic kingdom?
Disney complaints aren’t like six flags complaints. They ruin the ambience and that is a big part of what they sell.

They’re trying to “ration”
Without openly advertising why they have to…and thread a needle and make profit.

Gonna be a lot more fights in fantasyland if they make getting on Pooh with the kids a dog eat dog world
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I know what they are trying to do but it's not working. I do understand that price plays a big part. You are paying thousands of dollars on a Disney vacation so making people pay another $100 a day per person wouldn't go over well.

We all know they needed capacity yesterday but that's not changing anytime soon. I do blame the Bobs for a lot of that but I also put a small blame on guests too. They could have added easily a bunch highly themed flat rides for added capacity. The problem is that many guests won't go for that.
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
Jrb1979 said:
I do see the difference. The big one is rides aren't the only thing to do and is not necessarily a priority for everyone. At the same time none of these systems work if everyone has access to it.

It amazes me that everyone agrees they lack capacity and that they need to limit Genie+ for it to work. Any suggestion of pricing people out or capping sales is a hard no.
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Actually capacity i agree is an issue but i felt FP+ worked great… & still confused how FP to me was a success yet genie has these issues & imo less people are using genie
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
Jrb1979 said:
I know what they are trying to do but it's not working. I do understand that price plays a big part. You are paying thousands of dollars on a Disney vacation so making people pay another $100 a day per person wouldn't go over well.

We all know they needed capacity yesterday but that's not changing anytime soon. I do blame the Bobs for a lot of that but I also put a small blame on guests too. They could have added easily a bunch highly themed flat rides for added capacity. The problem is that many guests won't go for that.
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I disagree. Remy albeit not a flat ride but to me far from an E ticket yet its a nice addition. Frozen again not an E ticket imo but still is nice addition. I think any truly new well themed rides are welcome by guests issue is when was last time that happened?!?
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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crazy4disney said:
So then do something about it! Maybe again dare i say pre book a ride. Allow people to
Choose return times. Some simple changes to see if it helps. Raise price & include every ride to add inventory.
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Allowing people to choose return times won't help. It's still the same amount of people choosing return times all at the same time. That's pretty much the issue in why it's not working.

For example say 20,000 guests buy Genie+ tomorrow. When you try to pick a return time you are competing with those 20,000 guests at the same time. With FP+ those 20,000 guests picked their return times at separate days in advance. It makes a huge difference.

They aren't going back to an advanced booking system and we all know capacity isn't being added anytime soon, at least not enough to make an impact. I just don't know what the answer is anymore. No system is going to work that lets everyone have access to it. It's the number 1 reason Genie+ doesn't work, too many have it.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Chi84 said:
Where rides are not as high a priority, people will be “priced out” at a number much lower than at other parks. Pricing people out of a line skip system at WDW isn’t going to drive them into the standby lines; it’s more likely to have them choosing a different vacation spot. I know you don’t want to hear it, but WDW is qualitatively different from standard theme parks.

Disney needs people in its restaurants, water parks, resorts, shopping venues, etc.
Those people still want to go on rides without a prohibitive wait but they’re not going to pay Universal type prices to do it because there just aren’t enough rides to justify the cost.

And if Disney does decide to sell very expensive passes to people, those people may well decide to pound the rides more than they would otherwise just to get their money’s worth. How is that going to help anything?
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The WDW experience has declined significantly over the last two decades. Prices - tickets, hotels, merchandise, food - have skyrocketed out of all proportion to inflation, service and "Disney touches" have worsened or disappeared, maintenance has been slashed, underinvestment has left the parks stale and vastly overcrowded... yet people still come. The idea that pricing people out of line-skipping would be the thing that FINALLY causes those crowds to disappear is absurd, especially since it would bring benefits, like fast, constantly moving lines and shorter average lines when considered as a whole across a vacation.

What you are saying is that it would be YOUR red line. Which is fine, we all have one. But in the past, when other posters have mentioned theirs, you've been dismissive and told them just to stop caring about WDW, no matter how central its been to their lives. Now that your red line may be reached, its a matter of universal importance.

Oh, and this has come up again and again and AGAIN, but please don't assume posters complaining about the parks haven't drastically curtailed or even ceased their visits. It's untrue.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
the other half are those that continue to buy this product for more in spite of diminishing return. If consumers to spend their money with discretion, they have no complaints in legitimate terms.
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A lot of people who have been and will be using Genie+ between now and the end of the year bought it months ago and probably don’t know how it’s working (or not). Even if they have read reports, they won’t have experienced it. All those people may well have complaints and their complaints will be fully legitimate even if they’ve been following along the whole time. It’s not as if Disney will allow you to cancel G+ and be refunded.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
Chi84 said:
Those people have their own ideas of which of Disney’s products are worth buying and criticize people who don’t agree. It’s just background noise.
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Not to mention they also criticise people who don’t vacation at Disney the “right way”. If you choose to get to the parks early to take advantage of early entry, you’re being stupid. On the other hand if you don’t rope drop and stay until park closing you’re wasting your money. And heaven forbid you should even think of returning to your resort to swim in the afternoon. 🙄
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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crazy4disney said:
So then do something about it! Maybe again dare i say pre book a ride. Allow people to
Choose return times. Some simple changes to see if it helps. Raise price & include every ride to add inventory.
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Those sort of changes don’t change how the system impacts operations. Adding in-system capacity without the extra out-of-system capacity to support it would just make things worse.
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
Jrb1979 said:
Allowing people to choose return times won't help. It's still the same amount of people choosing return times all at the same time. That's pretty much the issue in why it's not working.

For example say 20,000 guests buy Genie+ tomorrow. When you try to pick a return time you are competing with those 20,000 guests at the same time. With FP+ those 20,000 guests picked their return times at separate days in advance. It makes a huge difference.

They aren't going back to an advanced booking system and we all know capacity isn't being added anytime soon, at least not enough to make an impact. I just don't know what the answer is anymore. No system is going to work that lets everyone have access to it. It's the number 1 reason Genie+ doesn't work, too many have it.
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Everyone says no system is working yet FP worked better than this imo and i dk why everyone is soooo adament against advanced booking. What is the true harm in letting people book say a week ahead of time day by by as opposed to the entire. Same logic and theory just gives people options and some sort of plan to go around meals that are already booked….
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
lazyboy97o said:
Those sort of changes don’t change how the system impacts operations. Adding in-system capacity without the extra out-of-system capacity to support it would just make things worse.
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Again. Everyone keeps saying this and saying that yet come up with zero options. We are far from the average or majority of guests but as ive stated and plenty others have. FP+ worked well for us and everyone i know and others have had the same sentiment.
Can i ask you and everyone this.

Which system would you say has worked better? FP+ or Genie+. No reasons examples so on and so forth and please only respond if you have actually used Genie+. Im just curious what all these users have to say. I would also take into account people who know others who have gone what there their were.

Ill start. I do not know 1 person/family/group/local that prefer Genie over FP and it has zero to do with the money. Heck people have gone as saying they would pay double to have the old system back…
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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crazy4disney said:
Everyone says no system is working yet FP worked better than this imo and i dk why everyone is soooo adament against advanced booking. What is the true harm in letting people book say a week ahead of time day by by as opposed to the entire. Same logic and theory just gives people options and some sort of plan to go around meals that are already booked….
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Letting people pre-book means having to delivery on that committed capacity.
 

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