Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

I was talking in terms of vaccines not medicines/treatments. The two are very different unless the one isn't an actual vaccine but a treatment or therapeutic so to speak. If that is the case call it what it is and get the masses on board with receiving it. I just want honest messaging and transparency. Neither of which we are getting . Two sides of the same coin.

I don't really think there has been dishonest messaging about the vaccine. We knew the vaccines provided good protection from the original strain of the virus for at least 6 months. We didn't have time to wait and see if the protection would last long term, or if it would hold up to variants of the virus., but they are still providing the most important thing, protection for sever illness and death.

I have gotten three doses of the vaccine, so right now I am on pace to have about 2 doses per year, as compared to the one dose per year I take for flu. It's not like we are being asked to get a covid shot every month.

 

[danlb_2000]

Ok but in my experience in state with low vaccination rates so are tons of unvaccinated friends and acquaintances who have had covid . I feel like I did the right the thing by getting vaccinated and boosted but not sure I have it in me for a 4th shot if that is the next step so soon after the others.

Did you have severe reactions to the first three shots?

 

[wdwmagic]

England relaxes COVID testing rules for air passengers returning on international flights​

England relaxes COVID testing rules for air passengers returning on international flights

Returning to England will be easier next week after the government announces changes to the testing requirements for international passengers.

www.wdwmagic.com

 

[marymarypoppins]

Did you have severe reactions to the first three shots?

No I did not. I did have some swelling at injection site but I believe is more of dermatology/ sensitive skin issue not vaccine related.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

True but I shouldn't have to take something four times in less than a year for it to work . I am beginning to think we should have maybe waited until it was fully effective. 'I honestly don't know what the right answer is but I am exhausted from all the division and turmoil this has caused.

That’s the challenge with a virus, they change quickly, what’s effective on one may not be similarly effective on its’ variant. It’s why we’ve never been able to eradicate the flu with vaccines, they create the vaccine to fight the strain they predict will be dominant, it’s protects most people but all the variants still make people sick.

As for the division and turmoil you mentioned, that’s true. It shouldn’t be that way. You would think people would want to work together to do the best for society, neighbors, family and friends. In the climate in our country over the last 20 years, I don’t know if we can ever get back to that. But, that doesn’t mean we have to stop trying. So let’s all get our shots… keep our families safe.. keep our local businesses busy with our money to help them out..keep doing the right things to lessen the amount of time this takes to get the right answers and possibly take care of this quicker then this is going now. Good things come to those who wait..and also do the right things.

As others have mentioned that turmoil isn’t from a lack of caring, it’s from a dispute over what’s best.

I will always put someone’s health first before anything. Yes that means before economy and the ability to “ go about living my life” as many say here.

I believe mental health and economic health are just as important as physical health. Over the last couple years suicides have skyrocketed, murders have skyrocketed, domestic violence has skyrocketed, anxiety has skyrocketed, depression has skyrocketed, etc.

It’s not that we are “ok” with hundreds of thousands of corona deaths, we’re just worried about everything, not just coronavirus.

 

[LittleBuford]

Let's be honest. Someone who makes the decision not to get vaccinated isn't going to think twice about going to a crowded theme park.

Someone who makes one really bad decision is more likely to make additional bad decisions.

While I agree with this, I do think it must also be acknowledged that even fully vaccinated people who are going to Disney and other crowded destinations at this time are knowingly flirting with the very real probability of being infected. Whether that’s a “bad” decision or not is a matter of opinion given that their cases are likely to be mild, but they are nevertheless doing something that many of us would consider unnecessarily risky at this current moment.

 

[danlb_2000]

No I did not. I did have some swelling at injection site but I believe is more of dermatology/ sensitive skin issue not vaccine related.

Then what is the concern about getting a fourth dose, assuming that it eventually is needed?

 

[LittleBuford]

I feel like I did the right the thing by getting vaccinated and boosted but not sure I have it in me for a 4th shot if that is the next step so soon after the others.

What don’t you have in you exactly? I’m trying to understand the drawback(s) of a fourth shot from your perspective.

ETA: @danlb_2000 pipped me to the post.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

California deputy district attorney who spoke out against vaccine mandates dies of COVID complications at age 46

Just weeks before her death, Ernby spoke at an anti-vaccine rally, reportedly saying, "there's nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What don’t you have in you exactly? I’m trying to understand the drawback(s) of a fourth shot from your perspective.

I can’t speak for Mary but I had similar thoughts before my booster, for me it was simply Covid burnout. My hesitancy had nothing to do with the time involved, effort involved, or the vaccines effectiveness… I’m just tired.

The fact tens of millions of fully vaccinated people haven’t bothered with the boosters leads me to believe there’s a lot of people who feel the same.

Delta was enough to push me to get my booster and Omicron is likely pushing a lot of people to get theirs, but just like the turnout every year for the flu shot there’ll likely be a huge percentage of the population who won’t get Covid boosters either.

 

[LittleBuford]

I can’t speak for Mary but I had similar thoughts before my booster, for me it was simply Covid burnout. My hesitancy had nothing to do with the time involved, effort involved, or the vaccines effectiveness… I’m just tired.

The fact tens of millions of fully vaccinated people haven’t bothered with the boosters leads me to believe there’s a lot of people who feel the same.

Delta was enough to push me to get my booster and Omicron is likely pushing a lot of people to get theirs, but just like the turnout every year for the flu shot there’ll likely be a huge percentage of the population who won’t get Covid boosters either.

I honestly don’t understand this. If the choice is between minimising the chances of a severe infection and giving into a sense of burnout, why on earth would anyone choose the latter?

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

While I agree with this, I do think it must also be acknowledged that even fully vaccinated people who are going to Disney and other crowded destinations at this time are knowingly flirting with the very real probability of being infected. Whether that’s a “bad” decision or not is a matter of opinion given that their cases are likely to be mild, but they are nevertheless doing something that many of us would consider unnecessarily risky at this current moment.

For sure, but I would also acknowledge that this is comparing people making a calculated risk versus people being irresponsible.

Omicron is proving to be all but impossible to avoid. Unless one stays at home, there's a good chance of catching it while grocery shopping or doing other routine things. Visiting a theme park is a riskier activity, but at this point in time is avoiding them just delaying the inevitable?

 

[DisneyCane]

California deputy district attorney who spoke out against vaccine mandates dies of COVID complications at age 46

Just weeks before her death, Ernby spoke at an anti-vaccine rally, reportedly saying, "there's nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now."

www.cbsnews.com

These stories are disgusting. I'm not referring to the underlying "news," I'm talking about the way the media exploits these deaths because the deceased disagreed with vaccine mandates or didn't want to be vaccinated. They are reported with the "he/she got what they deserved" tone. It's like ESPN (to make this more Disney related) on their bottom line scroll pointing out that Kirk Cousins wasn't vaccinated when he tested positive while they don't point out the dozens of other athletes that tested positive who were vaccinated (including a huge percentage of the NHL and NBA).

How many stories do we see with the headline, "Vaccine Advocate Dies of COVID?" I haven't seen any and it isn't because there are no fully vaccinated and boosted people who advocated for vaccination and/or mandates that have died from COVID.

 

[Jrb1979]

For sure, but I would also acknowledge that this is comparing people making a calculated risk versus people being irresponsible.

Omicron is proving to be all but impossible to avoid. Unless one stays at home, there's a good chance of catching it while grocery shopping or doing other routine things. Visiting a theme park is a riskier activity, but at this point in time is avoiding them just delaying the inevitable?

Most understand that it's unavoidable at this point. I had it last week and I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I still would avoid Disney and Universal right now. It all has to to do with how little social distancing is happening. I can understand the mask thing and can deal with it. What bugs me is how quick people gave up their personal space.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I honestly don’t understand this. If the choice is between minimising the chances of a severe infection and giving into a sense of burnout, why on earth would anyone choose the latter?

Probably stems from how we’re taught about illness, we’re taught from a very young age that vaccines teach our immune system how to fight a virus, once programmed our memory cells don’t forget, (we’re also taught that prior infection similarly teaches our immune system how to fight a virus which probably explains much of the natural immunity argument… but that’s another story), so we equate that to “why do I need a booster if my body already knows how to fight it?”

If the booster was a new design, specifically for say Delta or Omicron; I think more people would get it but since it’s the same shot we’ve already got it feels redundant. Like installing the same antivirus program on your computer twice, that makes no sense, but installing an updated antivirus program makes a ton of sense.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

These stories are disgusting. I'm not referring to the underlying "news," I'm talking about the way the media exploits these deaths because the deceased disagreed with vaccine mandates or didn't want to be vaccinated. They are reported with the "he/she got what they deserved" tone. It's like ESPN (to make this more Disney related) on their bottom line scroll pointing out that Kirk Cousins wasn't vaccinated when he tested positive while they don't point out the dozens of other athletes that tested positive who were vaccinated (including a huge percentage of the NHL and NBA).

How many stories do we see with the headline, "Vaccine Advocate Dies of COVID?" I haven't seen any and it isn't because there are no fully vaccinated and boosted people who advocated for vaccination and/or mandates that have died from COVID.

Which scenario do you think is more common: anti-vaxxer dies from COVID-19 or vaccinated person dies from COVID-19?

 

[Lilofan]

That’s the challenge with a virus, they change quickly, what’s effective on one may not be similarly effective on its’ variant. It’s why we’ve never been able to eradicate the flu with vaccines, they create the vaccine to fight the strain they predict will be dominant, it’s protects most people but all the variants still make people sick.

As others have mentioned that turmoil isn’t from a lack of caring, it’s from a dispute over what’s best.

I believe mental health and economic health are just as important as physical health. Over the last couple years suicides have skyrocketed, murders have skyrocketed, domestic violence has skyrocketed, anxiety has skyrocketed, depression has skyrocketed, etc.

It’s not that we are “ok” with hundreds of thousands of corona deaths, we’re just worried about everything, not just coronavirus.

You don't recall the estimate 1-2M deaths predicted if steps to close the economy did not happen last year? Better being alive than being six feet under.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just to circle back to the Ontario, Canada data, here is the latest chart showing the seven day average daily case rate by vaccination status. Their data says that 78% of the population is fully vaccinated and 83% are at least partially vaccinated. Prior to the latest measures there were already indoor mask requirements as well. I shall wait for the condescending reply that tells me that I don't understand anything and that if we just all did the "right" thing, COVID would no longer be an issue.

 

[JoeCamel]

California deputy district attorney who spoke out against vaccine mandates dies of COVID complications at age 46

Just weeks before her death, Ernby spoke at an anti-vaccine rally, reportedly saying, "there's nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now."

www.cbsnews.com

This line is telling the story

"Based on recent data, the state said that from December 13 to 19, 2021, unvaccinated people were 5.2 more likely to get COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, and 15 times more likely to die."

 

[DisneyCane]

Which scenario do you think is more common: anti-vaxxer dies from COVID-19 or vaccinated person dies from COVID-19?

In raw numbers it's probably about the same. Percentage wise, anti-vaxxer.