This, if we lose the 25% in my department alone that refuse vaccination, I'll be looking at 12hrs 7 days a week. We bring in temps all the time, training is a 3 month process at minimum before they are signed off, and we still only have 1 in 5 stay.
Ironically, there is a tentative vaccine against rabies under investigation that uses the exact same mRNA technique as the current COVID vaccines. But this trial will take years to complete because rabies is a relatively rare disease in both humans and domestic animals and it will take a long time to reach statistical significance. The silver lining of an out-of-control COVID pandemic is that drug and vaccine trials will have ample test subjects, and can reach their clinical targets very quickly.
If you are getting paid by the hour you will be making a hefty sum with OT. Some of my banker friends of mine working in NYC pull 90 hour weeks 6am-9pm 6 days a week , salaried but well compensated. It is too bad they don't have much time to enjoy and relax.
Is that likely though?
If it really is a small department, and this represents just one person leaving, which is completely valid scenario, that 1% figure is for large numbers. Then, you've already got business issues today. What if instead of a vaccine mandate, Jan wins the Power Ball? You don't think she's still coming to work after that. Not Jan, no way.
Even if you did, it's not like you quit over the vaccine mandate. It would be over the poor working hours and conditions. That's not the same as leaving because of the mandate.
That's why I picked it. Nobody would do a Rabies study in the US. Last I heard, most were being done in India where it's more common. Still nowhere near COVID levels.
$28/hr now, double time after 48hr, so yes it's a big check but took it's toll on my body. Work in manufacturing, already diagnosed with carpal tunnel 5 years ago because of the repetitive movement, and a knee that needs replaced.
You can also go wrong if you violate a conflicting state law and the courts side with the states. You could end up with fines and, in some cases, wrongful termination suits.
Yeah. Lots of companies sort of in a holding pattern for now.
There is supposed to be 9 people on 1st shift, 8 on 2nd. We have 7 on 1st and 3 on 2nd right now. That's why we've already increased hours to 10hrs 6 days. Right now only 6 of us are vaccinated. The remaining are unvaccinated, 2 of which are temps just beginning training. No it's not good right now.Is that likely though?
I mean, is your department 4 people and everyone just KNOWS Jan isn't vaccinated and will quit?
Or, something like 12 people and it's Jan, Karen, and Debbie that will all leave. But, will all 3 really leave or is that just big talk. Everyone knows Debbie has a WDW addiction and needs the money.
We haven't seen any real world actual employee loss anywhere near 25%, even when it's talked up. More like 1%.
If it really is a small department, and this represents just one person leaving, which is completely valid scenario, that 1% figure is for large numbers. Then, you've already got business issues today. What if instead of a vaccine mandate, Jan wins the Power Ball? You don't think she's still coming to work after that. Not Jan, no way.
I worked in a department once where a group pooled and bought lottery tickets. They hit a big one, and 10 of 11 people in the pool quit the next week. The 11th was an executive and we think he was only in the pool to be nice, didn't need the money.
(This is also more pleasant than pretending Jan is hit by a bus. Even Jan doesn't deserve that.)
Even if you did, it's not like you quit over the vaccine mandate. It would be over the poor working hours and conditions. That's not the same as leaving because of the mandate.
Considering 30% of adults are so entrenched they are still unvaccinated after nearly a year of availability I think 20% who will quit is probably a fair guess.Is that likely though?
I mean, is your department 4 people and everyone just KNOWS Jan isn't vaccinated and will quit?
Or, something like 12 people and it's Jan, Karen, and Debbie that will all leave. But, will all 3 really leave or is that just big talk. Everyone knows Debbie has a WDW addiction and needs the money.
We haven't seen any real world actual employee loss anywhere near 25%, even when it's talked up. More like 1%.
If it really is a small department, and this represents just one person leaving, which is completely valid scenario, that 1% figure is for large numbers. Then, you've already got business issues today. What if instead of a vaccine mandate, Jan wins the Power Ball? You don't think she's still coming to work after that. Not Jan, no way.
I worked in a department once where a group pooled and bought lottery tickets. They hit a big one, and 10 of 11 people in the pool quit the next week. The 11th was an executive and we think he was only in the pool to be nice, didn't need the money.
(This is also more pleasant than pretending Jan is hit by a bus. Even Jan doesn't deserve that.)
Even if you did, it's not like you quit over the vaccine mandate. It would be over the poor working hours and conditions. That's not the same as leaving because of the mandate.
It's not the Great Recession but nowadays it's the Great Resignation.
You are dreaming March 2022, we well be lucky if its March 2023. The goal post keeps moving for obvious reasons.
Which ends up being like 1% of the company because most don't want to lose their jobs.
That sounds horrible. Already functioning with only 60% of required staff. I can completely see that loosing even just 1 person would be a disaster. Vaccine mandate or not, that's not really sustainable. Time to buy that Powerball ticket, YOU could be the one to leave.
Have we seen that anywhere that has a mandate though? The highest I remember is 2% and most new stories were 1% or less. Have we actually seen any company say they lost 5% or 10% or more because of a vaccine requirement, in any industry?
It's not the goal posts moving. Unless the date is the goal post, but that makes no sense. It's our inability to reach the goal that keeps shifting the prediction on when we'll get there.
Most companies and unions that had 20-30% unvaccinated found that upon mandating the vaccine, in the end, only 1-5% refused to comply and either quit or were fired.
That’s still a lot. Something to be considered.
Try finding a place to dine in regarding fast food places up and down I-95 off the interstate from NC to the FL border. and if you do see if the full menu is even offered.
