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Toy Story Playland
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GoofGoof
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I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see them adding what you are calling "off the shelf" carnival rides. Disney has shown a desire to be cheap, but not impractical. Those types of rides just won't work in a park that will be expecting 10M+ guests a year after this project is complete (average well over 25K people a day). Rides that support less than 500 people per hour just don't make sense for a park that is that crowded. I think Mater in DCA has a capacity of about 600 riders per hour. They probably should consider doubling the ride if it comes to DHS (like Dumbo) to get to 1,200 per hour which would likely mean keeping waits under 30 mins. It wouldn't double the cost for the ride since you would use the same queue and some common areas for maintenance. I have no idea what the capacity is for the new ride replacing Luigi's.
roj2323
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Well given the success of Frozen summer Fun I hope they give them the exact same amount of time to plan more events. The reason I say this is it was nice to see a well planned event that hadn't had 3 month with the budget trimming department. I kinda wonder what kind of attractions we might get if they used the same system. Give the imagineers a decent budget and a topic and let them do what they do best.
flyerjab
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My great hope for all of this conjecture is that plans are really revealed at D23 this year (or at least some official announcement of some kind). I enjoy following who thinks what will happen and how close some people are to being right (or totally wrong).
At least some type of announcement will give us something more concrete to discuss.
At least some type of announcement will give us something more concrete to discuss.
Problem was last year a huge pit of money was suddenly made available. A lot of things were achieved that could have been done a lot cheaper with more time. Now they have that time...
So long as a line is drawn between efficient and cheap.
SirLink
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Haaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa
Adding a second Dumbo in the Magic Kingdom cost around $56million. Then when you theme the area etc for TSPL will end up costing just north of $250million...
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I'm glad you got a laugh out of my post. You seem a bit grumpy most of the time
I've never seen the cost of FLE broken down so I don't know if that's a good number or not. Dumbo was a bit of a unique case. It was disassembled, moved, reassembled, then they built a mirror clone and a large indoor queue area. I'm pretty sure that just doubling the spinner portion of the ride did not cost $56M.
The TSPL as it stands in Paris cost $80M to build several years ago. Sure if they double capacity for some rides or substitute more elaborate rides from DCA the price would go up, but I doubt it would cost more than 3Xs as much to build. The rides rumored to come still don't need show buildings, expensive rock work or elaborate indoor queues.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Iger did let the cat out of the bag on the name change during the shareholder meeting, but he didn't give a timeframe for when it would happen or even when it would be announced. The rumor is that something Star Wars will be announced at D23 so it's possible they announce the whole project.
SirLink
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I'm glad you got a laugh out of my post. You seem a bit grumpy most of the time
I've never seen the cost of FLE broken down so I don't know if that's a good number or not. Dumbo was a bit of a unique case. It was disassembled, moved, reassembled, then they built a mirror clone and a large indoor queue area. I'm pretty sure that just doubling the spinner portion of the ride did not cost $56M.
The TSPL as it stands in Paris cost $80M to build several years ago. Sure if they double capacity for some rides or substitute more elaborate rides from DCA the price would go up, but I doubt it would cost more than 3Xs as much to build. The rides rumored to come still don't need show buildings, expensive rock work or elaborate indoor queues.
The $56million that figure was just for the second spinner just purchase and installation. Well you have restrooms and shops and Midway games to install etc. It soon adds up. As well as R+D for overlaying new themes on two existing rides.
Also even though it shouldn't the Swamps cost more to build according to WDI. See @marni1971
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Which in itself is a ridiculous sum. Thankfully recent events should mean EDLSCA don't have to jump through Burbanks price list hoop in the future.
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GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed. Everything they do is insanely overpriced. However, if 1 spinner without the queue area cost $56M to build then $80M for TSPL is a real bargain.
Cousin Huet
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The only thing I could add to this is that DCA has an area themed more towards kids or families with these more off the shelf type rides in the Bugs Life area. They still utilize this even though the attendance there since the reimagining of the park has exploded, so it is not unprecedented to have a section with less than breathtaking rides to eat up some families and kids that don't want to wait in long lines or ride the more thrilling attractions like a Tower of Terror or one of the Roller Coaster options. I would not be surmised if the toy story stuff added was a little less ambitious. I still think they will go all in on a Cars type attraction and obviously the big Star Wars area. We will see how it all works out though.
The only thing I could add to this is that DCA has an area themed more towards kids or families with these more off the shelf type rides in the Bugs Life area. They still utilize this even though the attendance there since the reimagining of the park has exploded, so it is not unprecedented to have a section with less than breathtaking rides to eat up some families and kids that don't want to wait in long lines or ride the more thrilling attractions like a Tower of Terror or one of the Roller Coaster options. I would not be surmised if the toy story stuff added was a little less ambitious. I still think they will go all in on a Cars type attraction and obviously the big Star Wars area. We will see how it all works out though.
GoofGoof
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This is true. There is a place for smaller rides with low capacity. It worked OK in MK because there are so many other rides. In a park with only 6 rides if they add 3 more they need to have enough capacity to accommodate most of the guests.
The logistics of DCA is still different than WDW. There are a lot of locals and more frequent visitors. People don't always have to ride every ride on each visit. With WDW there are so many more first time, once in a lifetime or infrequent visitors who have the mentality that they want to ride every ride. DHS desperately needs more rides to give people something to do and to disperse crowds away from the handful of headliners. The BLT (even in its watered down final form) took up a chunk of time for a lot of guests. They need to give people something to do to replace that. If the rides only have enough capacity to accommodate 25% of guests the other 75% will still need something to do.
Cousin Huet
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Definitely, that is why I think the Pixar stuff has to include a decent offering from the Carsland mold.....whether it is Cars, Monsters or even more Toy Story but a combo of the three would be best. Then add the Star Wars stuff with an impressive offering of several more rides and a few really nice eating and entertainment experiences and the kiddish Toy Story Playland then makes more sense to me......I guess I just assume that they will go ahead with the other stuff to go along with that. If they add only that to Pixar Place then it will be a huge miss.
UpAllNight
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All I see mentioned regarding a Pixar area is cars and toy story. Pixar has so such potential that it upsets me to not see it utilised. Imagine a spiderman-esque ride themed to the incredibles, as one example. Is nobody thinking outside of the box anymore? I can see the purpose of a toy story playland if done better than the Paris version, but there needs to be so such more.
It's been 11 years since I last went to what was MGM. I'm going again this year and obviously have followed goings on. I can't believe that one of my favourite parks will somehow have less to do than 11 years ago.
It's been 11 years since I last went to what was MGM. I'm going again this year and obviously have followed goings on. I can't believe that one of my favourite parks will somehow have less to do than 11 years ago.
doctornick
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Yes, I agree that it would be sad if this Pixar expansion only included Toy Story and Cars. I'm naively holding out hope that we might see at least one ride themed to Incredibles, Monsters Inc, Ratatouille, Up, etc.
Also, I do actually expect the HISTK playground to finally get re-themed to Bug's Life
RSoxNo1
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DHS needs rides. Flat rides are B-tickets, it needs those, but it also needs C and D tickets as well. It could also use another E to further drive attendance.
RSoxNo1
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Where did you get the $56 million for Dumbo? I have the cost at $80,000,000 from Jim Hill on Episode 142 of the WDW Fan Boys Podcast.
UpAllNight
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Monsters inc is under utilised...it's a classic IMO.
They could even put in clones of rides if they were desperate to save R&D costs...Monsters from Tokyo, Ratatouille from Paris. It's upsetting to think that, what should be the flagship Disney experience, can't offer guests something original though.
ToTBellHop
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That's just sickening. Almost Everest's budget.