You're Gonna Need a Bigger Park

[flynnibus]

Dude. Where do you get your "facts" from. Snow White was Brothers Grimm...not Walt Disney. Winnie the Pooh was AA Milne...not Walt Disney. 20,000 Leagues was Jules Verne...not Walt Disney. Mr Toad was Kenneth Graham...not Walt Disney. Should I stop now?

It can be argued that the "spin" Walt Disney put on all of these characters degraded the original version. Just because Walt made them popular, doesn't mean he made them better.

So now Iger goes out and buys Marvel. Guess what?..more popular now than ever. Then he goes out and buys Star Wars..guess what?.. breaks every box office record.

And you want to criticize Iger for doing exactly what Walt did. Buying something and increasing its popularity? Pot meet Kettle.

But disneys versions of the stories were not just about making them popular. You have to give them credit for their writing, direction, and art direction. Many of the stories do not resemble the source material at all. Wdp's strength was making new, desirable content out of those stories. Let's not forget for many, these are the first film adaptation of these stories.

The character development alone is worth the praise and respecting them as unique creations

 

[Magenta Panther]

But disneys versions of the stories were not just about making them popular. You have to give them credit for their writing, direction, and art direction. Many of the stories do not resemble the source material at all. Wdp's strength was making new, desirable content out of those stories. Let's not forget for many, these are the first film adaptation of these stories.

The character development alone is worth the praise and respecting them as unique creations

Exactly. Like this a billion times. What you described so eloquently is exactly the artistry I spoke of, and which most people understand and love and appreciate about the Walt Disney legacy. Thank you.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Dude. Where do you get your "facts" from. Snow White was Brothers Grimm...not Walt Disney. Winnie the Pooh was AA Milne...not Walt Disney. 20,000 Leagues was Jules Verne...not Walt Disney. Mr Toad was Kenneth Graham...not Walt Disney. Should I stop now?

It can be argued that the "spin" Walt Disney put on all of these characters degraded the original version. Just because Walt made them popular, doesn't mean he made them better.

So now Iger goes out and buys Marvel. Guess what?..more popular now than ever. Then he goes out and buys Star Wars..guess what?.. breaks every box office record.

And you want to criticize Iger for doing exactly what Walt did. Buying something and increasing its popularity? Pot meet Kettle.

Oh golly gee I had NO idea Walt Disney didn't write Snow White or Pooh or Wind in the Willows. Hadn't the foggiest. THANK you for enlightening me. By the way, all that was sarcasm which means, yeah, you can stop now.

"Degraded"? Oh that's a real hoot. Tell me, how many kids today read Carlo Collodi's "Pinocchio"? Answer: probably zip. And good thing too, because I HAVE read it, and it's nightmare fuel on rails. Walt's adaptation of Collodi's tale made Pinocchio immortal in ways that Collodi never could. The same goes for Snow White, Peter Pan (VERY weird book), and anything by the Brothers Grimm. Those tales reflect attitudes and brutality that thankfully have not stood the test of time. But Walt's adaptations have. THAT is the artistry, the plussing, that Iger's deep pockets have nothing to do with. When Walt looked at a potential project, he saw artistic possibilities. When Iger looks at one, he sees money. Period. That's the only thing that motivates the man. Sorry you can't seem to get the difference. Your loss.

 

[EngineJoe]

Oh golly gee I had NO idea Walt Disney didn't write Snow White or Pooh or Wind in the Willows. Hadn't the foggiest. THANK you for enlightening me. By the way, all that was sarcasm which means, yeah, you can stop now.

"Degraded"? Oh that's a real hoot. Tell me, how many kids today read Carlo Collodi's "Pinocchio"? Answer: probably zip. And good thing too, because I HAVE read it, and it's nightmare fuel on rails. Walt's adaptation of Collodi's tale made Pinocchio immortal in ways that Collodi never could. The same goes for Snow White, Peter Pan (VERY weird book), and anything by the Brothers Grimm. Those tales reflect attitudes and brutality that thankfully have not stood the test of time. But Walt's adaptations have. THAT is the artistry, the plussing, that Iger's deep pockets have nothing to do with. When Walt looked at a potential project, he saw artistic possibilities. When Iger looks at one, he sees money. Period. That's the only thing that motivates the man. Sorry you can't seem to get the difference. Your loss.

The Cosgrove Stop Motion Wind in the Willows/Mr. Toad is much better than the Disney animated version. I watched both and I love the Cosgrove version even though I love the Disney Mr. Toad's ride.

 

[Incomudro]

Just to wade I here...
I'm a big fan of Star Wars being introduced to HS, it best belongs there - as it's already there.
Still, let's not delude ourselves that introducing Star Wars or Marvel to WDW is akin to what Walt did with Pinocchio, Cinderella, Peter Pan, and on and on.
Remember, that those titles were not popular culture to children in the United States.
Walt took them and made them his, and introduced them to a culture that essentially did not know them.
That's way different than Star Wars which was born into and ingrained in popular young culture here in the US.

 

[celluloid]

Is Star Tours included in the 14 acres? If it is not, and it is 14 additional acres, that is plenty decent size start for one IP. Even Star Wars.
Comparison. Hogsmeade of The Wizarding World is 20 acres. But I believe that is Dueling Dragons/Dragons Challenge and Flight of the Hypogriff included. Meaning that it is pretty comparable with the space Star Tours takes up. And no one said that Star Wars can't expand beyond 14 acres. It would be better in fact as history shows to do the initial and then expand as newer films comes out or expand on concepts after it is a hit. Such as with Diagon Alley.

 

[danlb_2000]

Is Star Tours included in the 14 acres? If it is not, and it is 14 additional acres, that is plenty decent size start for one IP. Even Star Wars.
Comparison. Hogsmeade of The Wizarding World is 20 acres. But I believe that is Dueling Dragons/Dragons Challenge and Flight of the Hypogriff included. Meaning that it is pretty comparable with the space Star Tours takes up. And no one said that Star Wars can't expand beyond 14 acres. It would be better in fact as history shows to do the initial and then expand as newer films comes out or expand on concepts after it is a hit. Such as with Diagon Alley.

It's probably not included since the land in DL is also supposed to be 14 acres and it is not being built anywhere near Star Tours.