Would a Year Round School be better????

[SteveBrickNJ]

I'd imagine an overwhelming majority of NJ residents don't have a shore house. However, the political influence of those that do, as well as the beach economies, probably outweighs the combined influence of those outside those two groups.

Well, ok re your point w/ most people not owning a second house that's on the shore....but there are many people who annually purchase season passes for the beach. There are 15 year old students who are beach badge checkers or beach umbrella renters. There are 16 and 17 year old students who run the boardwalk rides or work in the arcades. Pt. Pleasant Beach, Seaside Heights. The Wildwoods. Atlantic City. Those 4 boardwalks come to mind. Additionally, a ton of 16 and over students work at Six Flags Great Adventure. If these students only had 3 weeks off in the summer that would really affect the NJ economy. Summer tourism is big bucks.
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LOL.....I know I am the OP and it seemed like I wanted to change to the 9 weeks of learning and 3 weeks off 12 month cycle. Well I'd kinda like to give it a try.....but that would be selfish of me. What I'd like is not important. There are so many businesses that count on school being closed ALL of July and August. I guess this is such a powerful tradition or enormous reality that 12 month schooling will never happen.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I'd imagine an overwhelming majority of NJ residents don't have a shore house. However, the political influence of those that do, as well as the beach economies, probably outweighs the combined influence of those outside those two groups.

Well, ok re your point w/ most people not owning a second house that's on the shore....but there are many people who annually purchase season passes for the beach. There are 15 year old students who are beach badge checkers or beach umbrella renters. There are 16 and 17 year old students who run the boardwalk rides or work in the arcades. Pt. Pleasant Beach, Seaside Heights. The Wildwoods. Atlantic City. Those 4 boardwalks come to mind. Additionally, a ton of 16 and over students work at Six Flags Great Adventure. If these students only had 3 weeks off in the summer that would really affect the NJ economy. Summer tourism is big bucks.
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LOL.....I know I am the OP and it seemed like I wanted to change to the 9 weeks of learning and 3 weeks off 12 month cycle. Well I'd kinda like to give it a try.....but that would be selfish of me. What I'd like is not important. There are so many businesses that count on school being closed ALL of July and August. I guess this is such a powerful tradition or enormous reality that 12 month schooling will never happen.

What Steve said.

If they don't own one, a huge percentage of the population either rent one for a week, a month, or a season. Reducing summer vacation to 3 weeks, there would never be enough inventory to go around, everybody who schedules across 8 to 9 weeks now would all try to smush into 3 weeks.

 

[winstongator]

Well, ok re your point w/ most people not owning a second house that's on the shore....but there are many people who annually purchase season passes for the beach. There are 15 year old students who are beach badge checkers or beach umbrella renters. There are 16 and 17 year old students who run the boardwalk rides or work in the arcades. Pt. Pleasant Beach, Seaside Heights. The Wildwoods. Atlantic City. Those 4 boardwalks come to mind. Additionally, a ton of 16 and over students work at Six Flags Great Adventure. If these students only had 3 weeks off in the summer that would really affect the NJ economy. Summer tourism is big bucks.
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LOL.....I know I am the OP and it seemed like I wanted to change to the 9 weeks of learning and 3 weeks off 12 month cycle. Well I'd kinda like to give it a try.....but that would be selfish of me. What I'd like is not important. There are so many businesses that count on school being closed ALL of July and August. I guess this is such a powerful tradition or enormous reality that 12 month schooling will never happen.

A bigger chunk of the workforce for the industries you mention are college students. They’d still need a different schedule, but not because of tourism jobs. College students need longer stretches for internships and short-term jobs where they’re learning skills.

The counter example to this is WDW! They utilize tens of thousands of college program workers. You could make up for the loss of HS students on summer break.

The percentage of 15-19 year old Americans working is way down. Roughly 25% more of this hat population worked in the 70’s than do now. There’s sufficient supply of young workers.

The potential savings to the overall education budgets would swamp costs to seasonal tourism fields

There is a huge entrenched forces oppoSing year round schooling. However, the simplest argument against our current system is it would never be the system we would come up with if we started from scratch now.

 

[winstongator]

What Steve said.

If they don't own one, a huge percentage of the population either rent one for a week, a month, or a season. Reducing summer vacation to 3 weeks, there would never be enough inventory to go around, everybody who schedules across 8 to 9 weeks now would all try to smush into 3 weeks.

Not everyone would be on break the same 3 weeks.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Not everyone would be on break the same 3 weeks.

They'd be pretty close to the same if they start at the same time (which they would) and break after a standard amount of time (which they would) means they would pretty much all be within days of each other.

 

[Goofyernmost]

That was the happy side affect of the standard school system. Instead of working in the fields during the summer that is when people planned on vacation trips. No school and a very time to become tourists. I never did it that way. Being from up north I always planned on our mid winter school vacation which was about a week and a half because if coupled with Presidents Day and March elections. Plenty of time to travel and get back in time to not need to take the kids out of school. Also the crowds were smaller (at the time) in WDW and the weather was always pleasant. As a kid though that is when we took our summer road trips in the cars of the day, no AC, and plastic seat covers. Always a pleasant time prying your legs off the car seats.

 

[21stamps]

What Steve said.

If they don't own one, a huge percentage of the population either rent one for a week, a month, or a season. Reducing summer vacation to 3 weeks, there would never be enough inventory to go around, everybody who schedules across 8 to 9 weeks now would all try to smush into 3 weeks.

My mom’s from Philly and it’s the same way there. Everyone I know there has a summer home in South Jersey. summer = down the shore.
“Watch the tram car” is the soundtrack of my youth.

 

[21stamps]

Not everyone would be on break the same 3 weeks.

Think about the economy.. the entire east coast who has a portion of the population living solely off their summer income. Entire towns could go near bankrupt.
Think about the Midwest with amusement parks and water parks and swim clubs, and all of the other “summer activities” that people ‘up north’ do during the summer.

Making school year round in the US would not only hurt all of the businesses mentioned, it would also be a nightmare for child care. I have a difficult enough time now that all summer camps end 2 weeks before my kid’s school year starts.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Not everyone would be on break the same 3 weeks.

So your 8 year old in grammar school could be off in July, but your high schooler could be off in August. Not great for planning family vacations.

This will not ever happen in Jersey, period.

 

[SteveBrickNJ]

Full year school ( with 9 weeks of learning and then 3 weeks off) will NOT happen in NJ. I know.

But....'cause it is my thread, I'd just like to say that I wouldn't mind goin' back to teaching on Monday, August 6th. I've had my family vacation. I've slept late. I've been to the movies. I've eaten burgers and ice cream. .............Enough already.

 

[westie]

My daughter went to a year round school and it worked out quite well. She would go 3 months on / 1 month off. I think in an educational sense her retention was much better. Later on in junior high and high school it switched back to what were all accustomed to. Ironically the only problem she ever had was in high school she was accepted into Bill Gates school for the gifted. She absolutely hated it! She begged us to let her go to public school because she wanted football games and dances, the things BG's school didn't have. I was against it but, she did end up getting into Berkeley so I guess my wife was right. Shhh!