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mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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Originally posted by Fievel


They slam DCA yet they'll flock to Knott's Berry Farms in droves...:lol:

lol.. YES, YES, YES!!! Oh god yes! The only good park that company has is Cedar Point... and I still prefer any Disney or Universal park over it (something about a $29 light fast food lunch that didn't go wekk with me... that makes Disney look.. affordable)
 

Lhriangel

New Member
Originally posted by mktiggerman


you can have your opinion all you want, and I support that, but you cannot judge it until you have experienced it. I have, and I liked it. People in California have MAJOR preconceived notions about what Disney is and isn't, and that's why it has such a bad rap. These are the same people who gave Lightmagic such bad press in the beginning, that it was cancelled, even though in its final run, it was gaining popularity (ever heard of an ACQUIRED TASTE!?!?). So, while DCA isn't the Disney that californians aren't accustomed, to, ANYONE who has been to the Disney/MGM Studios should at least enjoy the park.

See I agree with this statement. ALOT Of people here do NOT like DCA because it isn't want they think it should be. But on the other side I know cast members who very much like DCA and think it has great potiential. I am a native Californian and I love it because it seems (to me) to blend a little bit of Epcot and a little bit of the Studios with a California twist.
 

JLW11Hi

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I will be going there in November, so I will be able to decide for myself. IMO, every Disney Park has potential. It is not about "what it is themed to", when it comes to this kind of park, anyway. It is a different "Disneyland" type of theme park, that mainly consists of various themed lands (all tying into California.) They all have a little something to tell about California, so it has some education for outsiders. One big complaint about the park was that since a lot of the visitors to DCA would be native to Cali, why would they want to go to a park about the state they live in? Well, that is a good point, but it does explain a lot to the outsiders that come in, and in a sense, it could be part of a plan to get everyone to stay in Disneyland instead of visiting the rest of California, saying "We have all the best parts of Cali right here for you!" (It's a stretch, but you never know :)) '

I think in the end, it will be what is inside the park that matters, and not just the name/theme.
 

Sketch105

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Original Poster
I don't see why I'm making a lot of people mad.

Thank you Merlin for your understanding! Your words are a breath of fresh air that I don't hear too often.


Tiggerman, I can see what your saying. Thanks for not jumping on me about my opinions. I'm not trying to be naive when I say that I prejudge DCA. I have no plans to visit California anytime. Even if I did, I have no interest in DCA because it has nothing to offer me as a frequenter of WDW. I do not need to spend a plane ticket to ride California Screamin' when I have the Rock N ROllercoaster and various other attractions (Bugs, Animation Tour,Tower of Terror,Kali River Rapids,Muppetvision, etc. etc.) in my backyard. I've looked at the pros and cons of the situation, and theres nothing Disney has presented to me, as a Disney fan, that I like.

And by the way, its not just Californians who have an opinion about what Disney is about. I've talked to all sorts of people, non-Disney fans and former fans who don't like certain things about the company.

There is no DCA Debate, because nobody's right or wrong. Everyone has there opinion, and thats all.

We all make prejudgements in our lives. Its not an entirely evil concept (unless your dealing with prejudging people).

When you see a movie trailer, do you say "that looks good" or "lack looks horrible"? Yes. That's prejudgement. It gives you just enough taste for it to appeal to you.

I've seen the trailer for DCA, and it does not appeal to me, and I don't like it. Simple as that.

I'm not slandering people for liking it. I'm stating I don't like the company's direction. If you like it, more power to ya. You've got another park to enjoy.

Steve, I see that you think I'm trying to cause a stink, but I'm not. This is why we have discussion boards. I was a little hyped up in my last post because I was slandered for what I felt about DCA. I'm not trying to p'o people, I'm just stating my opinion. Freedom of Speech is the freedom to say what's on your mind, good or bad. Not just what people want to hear.

(though the rules of the forum do outlaw objectionable language, sexual innuendos and whatnot that we must follow).

Its when people start taking offense and then clearly threaten violence on others because they have an opinion they don't like that kills everything.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Originally posted by Sketch105
Tiggerman, I can see what your saying. Thanks for not jumping on me about my opinions. I'm not trying to be naive when I say that I prejudge DCA. I have no plans to visit California anytime. Even if I did, I have no interest in DCA because it has nothing to offer me as a frequenter of WDW. I do not need to spend a plane ticket to ride California Screamin' when I have the Rock N ROllercoaster and various other attractions (Bugs, Animation Tour,Tower of Terror,Kali River Rapids,Muppetvision, etc. etc.) in my backyard. I've looked at the pros and cons of the situation, and theres nothing Disney has presented to me, as a Disney fan, that I like.

MS.... err.. DEP?
 

CalDisney

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Thanks Steve..:>

Ohh and Sketch?? Im sorry..
It just made me mad cause I guess you havent been out here to Calif. to experince the Parks.
That would be like if I said Boston is a really Rotten city.
The People out there can Not Drive.
But!!
I have been to beantown And I love it:)
I love the history out there Since My dad is from Rhode Island
So I have had the chance to visit the east coast.
I know Not everyone can like everything Disney.
There are Rides that I hate.
But I wont mention which ones Cause I dont want people jumping down my Throat.


Ohh and Merlin??
I am a Guy!!:wave:
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Originally posted by Merlin


I would take Knott's over DCA any day.

then ya know what? go there! There will be one less person in line at Screamin'
 

Tigggrl

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Its funny how people flock to Knotts...I was there about 2 weeks ago....The place is falling apart and the Attractions were less than acceptable...They have no sign of freshening up the place, and the food was terrible! I wont go back, so I wont be in the line....The new ride SWAYS when its windy, and they just hold you in with a lap bar....Its scary!
So go there! Id rather ride in confidence...and just so you know, I am NOT a thrill ride person...so I am better off with Peter Pan and Small World...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

DLMAGICDARREN

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Sketch105,

Please know that you have another supporter here who feels it's very important you be allowed to give your honest opinion.

I really don't see this thread as a pro-DCA thread gone bad. It actually was about an expansion to Disneyland, and then began being compared to Flick's Fun Fair im DCA. Seems pretty fair to me.

I do agree that you have to reserve final judgement until you visit the park, but I also agree with you that most people know their tastes, as with the example of movie trailers, many of us base our opinion of if we will or will not see a movie based on the trailer. That's probably not 100% fair either, but it's our money. We don't have to be fair to every entertainment industry out there.

I will say DCA is a lot more then carnival rides and movies, but granted it is a lot of that. I enjoy the park for the atmosphere more then any particular attraction. You are right that GRR is similar to KRR, I actually prefer KRR a tad more for theming, but GRR more for it's finale and the mountain.

But back to the topic, firstly I agree it at least won't be called Toon Lagoon, due to Islands of Adventure holding the same name. I'd also just see them expanding Toontown, before adding Toontown2.

As for Knotts condition, I could not agree with Tiggrl any more. I hate what Cedar has done to it. They have taken almost every aspect of a theme park out of the formula and are turning it into another Six Flags. Of course they were well on their way before Cedar purchased the park, but Cedar has continued it. Removing the Haunted Shack was the final straw for me. Walter Knott is probably rolling in his grave too.

As for the refrence to Mouseinfo being a negative site, I really don't have any idea where that came from, hopefully it was a typo referring to another site. Mouseinfo is actually becoming a very intresting site for me to read, since there are many balanced opinions.

I too find it boring for every single thread to be "Don't you just love the ________ attraction? Some like that are fine, and fun, but every single one being like that gets boring.

I don't think good hard critism against Disney means we aren't still overall fans. And I don't think you were bashing DCA whatsoever. I guess I'm the only one who noticed you critisized Anaimal Kingdom in the same way, and I agree with that point as well. Even though I think Primevil Whirl is fun, I think it's a shame they took out the fossil lab and the Jubilee, which is more in line with what Animal Kingdom is supposed to be about.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know you have one more that respects your opinion.

(Hopes Merlin does not fall off his chair when he reads this)
 

Merlin

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Originally posted by DLMAGICDARREN

(Hopes Merlin does not fall off his chair when he reads this)

LOL! Not at all! And well said, Darren. You did a much better job of summing it up than I did.
 

CThaddeus

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If it makes you feel any better, I'm on your side here. DCA relies too much on rides and not enough on attractions. Yes, the theming is nice to look at, but a carnival is a carnival. I must say, though, I do like the front of the park - Soarin', Muppetvision, Superstar Limo (if it ever comes back), Blast!/Aladdin, the Animation Building, It's Tough to be a Bug, Golden Dreams. And yes, I'll admit I like California Screamin', too. I wouldn't mind seeing the back part of the park (and Grizzly River Rapids) bulldozed and perhaps redone like the Disney/MGM Studios. I mean, come on. If Paris gets one, why shouldn't we?
Too bad they didn't go the Westcot path...but that's a dream never to be. Then again, the way they've been cheesing up Epcot lately - ie. kill the audio-animatronics in favor of speed and lame hall of mirrors tricks (I'll try not to name any names) - there may be a carnival there sometime soon too. Yikes.
I had also heard Buzz (lame pun) about a Woody's Roundup attraction similar to Space Ranger Spin being put in the old Festival Arena. We can only cross our fingers and hope Eisner doesn't keep killing the budgets as I heard he did with Tomorrowland, and allows the Imagineers to let their imaginations run wild again.
 

CHAPPS

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I agree too! DCA isn't as popular with most Disney fans as this board would have you believe. You should read some of the posts on the WDW discussion boards.
 

NADisney

Active Member
I visited Disneyland and DCA for the first time in April this year.Though I expected alot becasue of my first trip and Walts hand in the magic,there were times I was dissappointed - but I do not complain about them ,for I am not a regular like a WDW guest (I go to WDW 4 times a year!).I know the Disney qulity just like everyone else who visits or works for Disney.We expect more and complain when we don't get it.

As for DCA ,it is a work in progress like walt said about Disneyland.At least they are developing the park ,it could just sit there forever without paint ,shows(which needs some help) and attractions.Also I can see why some californians are so slim ,the food as no taste..lol.
 

Merlin

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Originally posted by NADisney
I visited Disneyland and DCA for the first time in April this year.Though I expected alot becasue of my first trip and Walts hand in the magic,there were times I was dissappointed - but I do not complain about them ,for I am not a regular like a WDW guest (I go to WDW 4 times a year!).I know the Disney qulity just like everyone else who visits or works for Disney.We expect more and complain when we don't get it.

As for DCA ,it is a work in progress like walt said about Disneyland.At least they are developing the park ,it could just sit there forever without paint ,shows(which needs some help) and attractions.Also I can see why some californians are so slim ,the food as no taste..lol.

I agree, except that Disneyland was a work in progress with potential. It had strong themes with which to work and they stuck with those themes. The same goes for MGM when it first opened. Many have pointed out that we should look at DCA the same way as MGM because MGM actually had fewer E rides. But I feel what made MGM different was it's potential. It too stuck with it's theme. People say the same thing about Animal Kingdom. But AK actually started out great (in my opinion) and has gone downhill somewhat. But it's not too late to fix it.

DCA, on the other hand, has a lot more troubles. They have a great theme, but they haven't gone anywhere exciting with it and they've already deviated from that theme repeatedly.
 

Disneynutcase

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I'd rather go to Knotts.

Just did yesterdy. Using special discount tickets from Ralphs supermarkets I got two adults and two kids in for $68.00 which is only a bit cheaper than the advertized rate at DCA for us L.A. locals.

So why Knotts over DCA?

First of all, much more to choose from. Both have a lot of carnival-type rides. True, DCA's are a bit more themed out. But Knotts is more overall family friendly with Camp Snoopy and almost all the offerings in Ghost Town (except for Ghost Rider) are appropriate for 4+ years old on up.

Coaster/thrill ride freaks have more to choose from at Knotts--although standing in line for Accelerator was kind of sickeningly hilarious. Any of you see "Spy Kids 2" yet? When you're cued for Accelorator all you get is a vista of one thing after another zooming by or popping up into the air. Just needed the Juggler and the Yo-yo type ride from Spy Kids 2 (beggining of movie filmed at Knotts) and it literally would've have been the same. Knotts has so much crammed into such a small area that it's hard to avoid ride noise and/or something zooming overhead.

Food-wise, I totally disagree with the two bashers who posted up on this tread. This park always has had the best food going in California short of Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. But like Santa Cruz, you have to know the good places to get food at. If you go to a generic burger joint or doing the Mexican walk-up, you're getting bad food. But between funnel cakes, the rib stands, grilled corn on the cob, Mrs. Knotts fried chicken, Canation Ice Cream, and the all you-can-eat pizza and pasta and Auntie Pasta's, you can eat really well and for not too much $$$.

But back to the original topic: there has been rumors of something significant--from an "E" ticket ride to whole new lands--going into Big Thunder Ranch since the mid-70's. I don't believe Disney is committed to putting anything new into there. Or to put it bluntly, I'll believe it when I see it.

A Woody ride would actually be cool and could fit in with a cross promotional Frontierland/Fantasyland theme. But I don't think they'd end up using the whole available space with that one. What else would fit in if they did this--Geyser Moutain maybe?

Interesting how that area now sits completely empty though--no more shows in the theater area, no more Big Thunder Barbecue. It makes one suspect that either Disney is being lame (like how they treat the Sub Lagoon and the old CoP/America Sings building before it became Innoventions) or that they might have a new attraction or two up their sleeves.

But from one Disneyland fan to another, I'd rather see them get Tomorrowland right before they do anything else in the park. Between the sub lagoon, empty circle vision building, and the Peoplemover/Rocket Rods fiasco, this area needs $$$ committed to it to make guests spend more than 90 minutes in the area.

Star Tours is now a walk-on. Honey, I Shrunk The Audience is also pretty easy to get into even on busy days. Which leaves Space Mountain and the revamped Autopia and Astro Orbiter as possible time consumers. No one I know seems to go into Innoventions.

Or to put it bluntly, it's time Disney comitted itself to adding something to DL that blows people's minds--like what the Star Tours/Splash Mountain/Indy run did from '84-'94.

The new Pooh Bear ride will be cool (if its anything like WDW's) but it's still a low-impact kid ride and it gets the dishonor of being in the old tucked-into-a-far-corner Country Bear Playhouse spot.

It's time for something major at DL and not just some lame makeover or rehab.

So says I.

:p
 

JLW11Hi

Well-Known Member
I've heard a few rumors that Disney is going to update many of it's classic attractions (Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, IASW, Pirates of the Carribean) for the 50th anniversary. Although there is no confirmation of it, it would be a blessing upon Disneyland. Plus, if the updates turned out to be hits with the public, Magic Kingdom might get theirs updated, too.
 

Disneynutcase

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No real confirmation of yet about these rennovation rumors. They mostly could get scrapped due to $$$ being needed elsewhere and these rides (except for one to be discussed shortly) still being in pretty decent shape.

There's also the thought that updates to HM, IASW, SM, and JC won't really do that much to spike attendance--depends on how extensive they rennovate them. 'Cause really, think about it. Yes, there will be a certain curiosity factor, but I don't think people will be rushing to DL to see updates of JC or IASW.

Then again the Holiday version of IASW did draw people to DL for a few Christmas seasons in the late '90's. They still do the make-over around Thanksgiving, but now it's more out of tradition. The HM Holiday makeover is now the big holiday deal.

The only exception to the 2005 rennovation rumors is POTC which, according to an article that was written in the last year in our local LA papers, desperately needs an overhaul. Apparently they are operating off of a very archaic computer system and need to shut POTC down for a while to install up-to-date stuff. They also mentioned that the ride vehicle boats would be replaced.

I don't recall if they ever confirmed any new stuff for POTC's actual ride scenes. I've read so many things on these boards and other websites about things they might do in POTC for new/added scenes that I can't recall which are potentially legit and which are wishful thinking.
 

JLW11Hi

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Originally posted by Disneynutcase
No real confirmation of yet about these rennovation rumors. They mostly could get scrapped due to $$$ being needed elsewhere and these rides (except for one to be discussed shortly) still being in pretty decent shape.

There's also the thought that updates to HM, IASW, SM, and JC won't really do that much to spike attendance--depends on how extensive they rennovate them. 'Cause really, think about it. Yes, there will be a certain curiosity factor, but I don't think people will be rushing to DL to see updates of JC or IASW.

Then again the Holiday version of IASW did draw people to DL for a few Christmas seasons in the late '90's. They still do the make-over around Thanksgiving, but now it's more out of tradition. The HM Holiday makeover is now the big holiday deal.

Well, the way I have always seen it, there are 2 tyes of visitors to Disney: theme park enthusiasts and the first timers/people who don't know as much about what they have to offer.

Now, if Disney were to update its classic attractions such as JC, HM, POTC to a notable extent, I would think the theme park enthusiasts would be intrigued to see what they have done. As for the "other" guests, well, I REALLY have found it hard to believe that they actually keep up to date with what new attractions come to ANY park. Hell, there are those going to WDW in March next year that wont know what the hell a "Mission: Space" is. So in other words, I have never believed that advertising for new rides has always helped.

But then again, the updates could be compared to Figment, and we all know what happened there........
 

Sketch105

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Originally posted by CalDisney
Thanks Steve..:>

Ohh and Sketch?? Im sorry..
It just made me mad cause I guess you havent been out here to Calif. to experince the Parks.
That would be like if I said Boston is a really Rotten city.
The People out there can Not Drive.
But!!
I have been to beantown And I love it:)
I love the history out there Since My dad is from Rhode Island
So I have had the chance to visit the east coast.
I know Not everyone can like everything Disney.
There are Rides that I hate.
But I wont mention which ones Cause I dont want people jumping down my Throat.

Thanks for the civil approach to discussion. I appreciate your kindness.

There is a big difference, however, in talking about people in Boston being rotten, and talking about how you don't like a theme park.Theme parks are like works of art. They're subjective. People will like it and some people won't. A lot of people I know don't like Disney parks period, or Universal, or don't like parks at all, but I don't jump on them because they're entitled to their opinion.

Besides, I go to school in Florida, and I can tell you there are bad apples everywhere. I get the same guys driving 120 miles in a 65 zone who pull right in front of me without a turn signal here in Miami as I did in Massachusetts. :hammer:


So please, tip your waiters and use your turn signals. It makes the world a better place. :wave:
 

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