Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)

CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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Ghost93 said:
The Brie Larson hate is completely unwarranted.
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The same people keep missing the same point over and over and over again.

It doesn't MATTER if the Brie Larson hate is warranted or not. I did not say "people SHOULD hate Brie Larson," I said "people DO hate Brie Larson." The second statement is the only one that matters.

Disney can't be producing content for some imaginary audience that feels the way Disney wants them to feel. They need to produce content for the audience that actually exists in reality.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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CaptainAmerica said:
The same people keep missing the same point over and over and over again.

It doesn't MATTER if the Brie Larson hate is warranted or not. I did not say "people SHOULD hate Brie Larson," I said "people DO hate Brie Larson." The second statement is the only one that matters.

Disney can't be producing content for some imaginary audience that feels the way Disney wants them to feel. They need to produce content for the audience that actually exists in reality.
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But that isn’t the audience. The portion of the audience who says “M-she-U” or gets mad about an African-American Mermaid are a minority, somewhere between 15-25% or so of potential viewers. They are inordinately prominent because they have an immense and well-financed media machine and a lot of politicians have, for a complex web of reasons, decided to cater directly to them. A much, much larger chunk of the audience doesn’t particularly care about or welcomes diverse representation, and when you cater to the angry few you don’t cater to the larger group. The “M-she-U” contingent doesn’t get to define itself as the only audience that matters, which is what they are trying very hard to do.

It also needs to be remembered that pop culture is a tremendous force for social change - that’s why it’s a battleground. If studios had universally cowered before a large, vociferous minority in the 60s, there’d have been no stars like Sidney Poitier, no films like Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner or In the Heat of the Night. We like to pretend that such films were just fine with an overwhelming majority of the public, but that isn’t true. 31% of Americans opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Also in 1964, Gallup found that 42% of Americans named Martin Luther King Jr as the American for whom they had the least respect, second only to George Wallace. Sometimes pop culture has to lead, even if it costs at the box office.
 
Jedijax719

Jedijax719

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Feige hasn't gender-swapped anyone. Gender swapping is okay depending on the context. I could see people being upset if they did that with a massively popular character. But Feige and MCU hasn't done that. However, giving females a more prominent role in the MCU and their own movies is not just okay, it is what SHOULD be done. Same with people that are from other ethnicities and nationalities. There needs to be more of that. I never understood why people have been so upset about how the MCU has been handling that. I think they've done a great job with putting people who are not white males in the driver's seat while also giving "those" people enough white males to be satisfied. I also at least applaud the SW universe for attempting to do the same, although they've dropped the ball with depth. They wouldn't recast Leia as someone who was Black. Nor would they ever make Thrawn female. But they've tried putting people who represent different cultures in their stories.

Wait, I thought I was in the wrong thread when I went back to this. Then I realized I responded to the correct set of posts. Why is this all in the WISH thread? Shouldn't this all be taking place in the Captain Marvel/Marvels thread or at least the General MCU thread?
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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CaptainAmerica said:
Okay. What I said still happened. They were lumped together and criticized as a package. The critics even had a catchphrase, "M-She-U."


Men. Brie Larson is unlikable to men. Who do you think watches superhero content the most?
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I think you're out over your skis on this one.

Just because there is a vocal minority doesn't mean the "M-She-U" is a widely felt sentiment among the population. And the same can be said about Brie being "unlikable to men", as a man myself I can say she is extremely likable. So again just because she maybe unlikely to SOME men doesn't mean that's a widely felt sentiment among the entire gender.

You can't please everyone, and when you try you please no one. So don't try to cater to the minority when the majority will still like and accept what you do.
 
Farerb

Farerb

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Do you think Disney have overused the formula of a young girl goes on a quest to save her family? This will be their 5th or 6th movie with this similar plot.
 
Hawkeye_2018

Hawkeye_2018

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Casper Gutman said:
I’m a man. I don’t find her unlikable. She’s unlikable to the kind of people who say “M-She-U.”

And that’s not Ms Marvel being dismissed because of association with She-Hulk. It’s Ms Marvel being dismissed because she’s female.
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I'm indifferent on Bree as a person or actress. I didn't find the Capt Marvel character all that likeable and that falls more on the writing than anything else
 
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TsWade2

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What does Captain Marvel have to do with Wish? Seriously, I'm still waiting for the second trailer of Wish!
Lets Go Come On Man GIF by filmeditor
 
Jedijax719

Jedijax719

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Where exactly (or generally) does this take place? I read it takes place in southern Europe/northern Africa. Would that be closer to Greece/Turkey/Egypt (eastern Mediterranean), Italy/Malta/Tunisia (middle Mediterranean) or Spain/Portugal/Morocco (western Mediterranean?

Asha is most often a name from India or eastern Africa. But she has been described as Afro-Latino which incidentally does not technically include Spain as Spain is not considered Latino (but is Hispanic). So is she just from everywhere?
 
Twilight_Roxas

Twilight_Roxas

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Jedijax719 said:
Where exactly (or generally) does this take place? I read it takes place in southern Europe/northern Africa. Would that be closer to Greece/Turkey/Egypt (eastern Mediterranean), Italy/Malta/Tunisia (middle Mediterranean) or Spain/Portugal/Morocco (western Mediterranean?

Asha is most often a name from India or eastern Africa. But she has been described as Afro-Latino which incidentally does not technically include Spain as Spain is not considered Latino (but is Hispanic). So is she just from everywhere?
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A island off the Iberian Peninsula.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Farerb said:
Do you think Disney have overused the formula of a young girl goes on a quest to save her family? This will be their 5th or 6th movie with this similar plot.
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It has certainly been overused about 5 or 6 thousands times.

Cf. every child/young-adult book/movie/film ever made.
 
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TsWade2

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Man, I need to control myself, because I'm starting get very impatient for waiting for the second trailer of Wish to come. Since this is the first day of August, they need to released the second trailer of Wish soon. I know there's an actors and writers strike right now, but still, they have to release the second trailer of Wish soon. Man, being patient is hard. 😭
 

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