Will Tron help alleviate crowds at Magic Kingdom or make them worse?

[Kamikaze]

Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Buzz Lightyear, Pirates of the Caribbean are all almost unanimously considered better at Disneyland. I would even say Haunted Mansion and Splash Mountain are better in Disneyland too though the opinion on that statement is a little more mixed.

The ONLY attraction that was better at WDW was ToT.

HM gets the nod at DLR simply because of the NBC overlay.

 

[Raineman]

The ONLY attraction that was better at WDW was ToT.

HM gets the nod at DLR simply because of the NBC overlay.

I think the majority of people would not agree with your last statement, (or wonder what people in California are thinking if that is the general consensus there), including myself-I would not be happy if I went to WDW in Nov or Dec and had to see the overlay at HM. Never been a huge fan of seasonal overlays on anything, especially on my favourite WDW attraction.

 

[Kamikaze]

I think the majority of people would not agree with your last statement, (or wonder what people in California are thinking if that is the general consensus there), including myself-I would not be happy if I went to WDW in Nov or Dec and had to see the overlay at HM. Never been a huge fan of seasonal overlays on anything, especially on my favourite WDW attraction.

Its like getting a new attraction for two months. And its amazing. I don't even like NBC.

Guests with your thinking are why WDW can't have nice things. To be honest, though, its TDO being cheap that stops that.

But yes, having a different version of the attraction that sets it apart from WDW's version for two months makes it better. Aside from that, the HBG makes DLR's version superior.

 

[Darstarr]

Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Buzz Lightyear, Pirates of the Caribbean are all almost unanimously considered better at Disneyland. I would even say Haunted Mansion and Splash Mountain are better in Disneyland too though the opinion on that statement is a little more mixed.

Fon’t forget It’s a small world!

 

[justintheharris]

You mean like TRON Cycles?

Yes lol But one more after that please

 

[justintheharris]

The ONLY attraction that was better at WDW was ToT.

HM gets the nod at DLR simply because of the NBC overlay.

I'm not so sure I agree with Tower of Terror being the ONLY attraction. I prefer our Jungle Cruise, Winnie The Pooh and Peter Pan's Flight but those are hardly headliners. And there's many people who enjoy our Splash Mountain and Haunted Mansion more so than the Disneyland counterparts. Also, Haunted Mansion in Disneyland feels more genuine which is why I like that one better even though the ride is a little shorter. You actually get to walk into the front door of the mansion and the floor creeks like an old mansion.

 

[Willmark]

The days of Disney taking 5-7 years to bring out a ride are or should long be over.

The fact is that all of the Parks at WDW need something in the neighborhood of 5-10 more rides. And they needed them 5 years ago.

 

[NiarrNDisney]

Well a large crowd eater like a show much like the ones that would have been held inside the new theater could have helped but that is no longer on the table.

 

[justintheharris]

Well a large crowd eater like a show much like the ones that would have been held inside the new theater could have helped but that is no longer on the table.

I have hope that it's indefinitely on the shelf. Would one of our insider Gods like to affirm or crush my dreams?

 

[Little Green Men]

Its like getting a new attraction for two months. And its amazing. I don't even like NBC.

Guests with your thinking are why WDW can't have nice things. To be honest, though, its TDO being cheap that stops that.

But yes, having a different version of the attraction that sets it apart from WDW's version for two months makes it better. Aside from that, the HBG makes DLR's version superior.

1 animatronic doesn’t make a ride better

 

[TwilightZone]

1 animatronic doesn’t make a ride better

Case in point: Navi River Journey.
One of the most meh attractions ever made (I consider it personally to be one of the worst, but if you like it that's ok).
Fantastic animatronic.
Doesn't make the ride any better.

 

[Kamikaze]

1 animatronic doesn’t make a ride better

When you're compared two versions of the same attraction, the one with a superior element does make it better. So in this case, yes, one animatronic does make DLR's better. Same as the upgrades done to BTM make DLR's version better.

 

[NickMaio]

You mean like TRON Cycles?

Dis created this ride at another park already - - Shanghai Disneyland Park in 2016

 

[MisterPenguin]

Dis created this ride at another park already - - Shanghai Disneyland Park in 2016

Yes. You stated a fact.

 

[Little Green Men]

When you're compared two versions of the same attraction, the one with a superior element does make it better. So in this case, yes, one animatronic does make DLR's better. Same as the upgrades done to BTM make DLR's version better.

Not when many other elements are more updated than the former

 

[justintheharris]

Another point I forgot to ask in this thread: Can Tron operate in bad weather? Does the canopy allow it to run in the rain or will it be closed in any sort of bad weather?

 

[NickMaio]

Another point I forgot to ask in this thread: Can Tron operate in bad weather? Does the canopy allow it to run in the rain or will it be closed in any sort of bad weather?

I believe so - - - - - - it looks very cool at night during the canopy portion.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Long term - after the newness of it wears off a bit, it should really help with lines in the MK as it's another attraction meaning less people in other queues as some will be in Tron's queue.

Incorrect. People in the Tron lines only makes other rides less crowded if total attendance is static, but it's not. If increased crowds > Tron capacity, net impact will be more crowding, not less.

 

[mergatroid]

Incorrect. People in the Tron lines only makes other rides less crowded if total attendance is static, but it's not. If increased crowds > Tron capacity, net impact will be more crowding, not less.

That's why I said when the newness of it wears off. If long term is say 5 years, do you think people will go to the MK still then purely for Tron? If not then the more rides there are there should help with lines or are you saying if nobody goes specifically for Tron, that the other lines would be shorter if Tron wasn't built at all? Again I'm talking long term here specifically and not short term?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Incorrect. People in the Tron lines only makes other rides less crowded if total attendance is static, but it's not. If increased crowds > Tron capacity, net impact will be more crowding, not less.

Depends what kind of capacity we're talking about.

Let's take an example. Let's say a new ride can have 350 people in the queue and 150 people on the ride itself. And this ride's capacity in terms of People Per Hour is... doesn't matter. PPH doesn't matter if you want the park to be less crowded. If at any moment of the day there are 500 people in the ride (queue and vehicles), then it doesn't matter if those people are cycled through in one minute or one hour. The ride only takes 500 people 'off the street' at any one time.

To see this, let's take an extreme example: there are only 500 people in the park and they all want to ride this new ride over and over again. So, everyone in the park is on the ride. There are zero people 'in the streets'. Increasing the capacity of the ride in terms of PPH doesn't change the fact that there will still be no one on the streets. The increased PPH just means that everyone gets to ride the ride more often.

If there were, however, 10,500 people in the park. Then at any one time, there would be 10,000 in the streets and 500 people on the ride. As people get off the ride, some on the street enter the queue. And if they increase the speed of that exchange, it would still be 10,000 in the streets.

What this means is that a popular, or even just new, ride will almost always create significantly more crowding. Even if it's a new C Ticket. If that C Ticket can 'hold' 500 people at once, but 2,000 extra people show up during the day to experience the new ride, then that park will have an extra crowding of 1,500 people. Doesn't matter what the ride's PPH is.

Where increased PPH is needed is to give the people that do show up the ability to ride that ride and many others more often. Increased PPH means being able to ride more rides for each guest and enhance their experience. But increased PPH doesn't make the park less crowded.

Bigger queues, pre-shows, and vehicles that hold more people reduce crowding.

More rides that don't draw in more people than it holds at one time reduces crowding... but that's unlikely to happen.