Will Disney be bring out marvel characters before Avengers 2 for meet and greets? Like April 19-25?

[Matt_Black]

Still, that hasn't stopped them from smaller attempts to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. The Avengers wrap and the Iron Patriot display at Planet Hollywood were both exploiting existing loopholes. I see no reason why they'd stop doing stuff like that anytime soon.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Still, that hasn't stopped them from smaller attempts to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. The Avengers wrap and the Iron Patriot display at Planet Hollywood were both exploiting existing loopholes. I see no reason why they'd stop doing stuff like that anytime soon.

Because those were cheap and paid for by a legitimate business, the studio.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Because those were cheap and paid for by a legitimate business, the studio.

As opposed to a non legitimate business?

 

[lazyboy97o]

As opposed to a non legitimate business?

Yes. Theme parks to Disney are something they are in because they have to be. There is no passion for them from above. They are an overly expensive, childish marketing platform that requires 0 years of industry experience to run.

 

[Matt_Black]

Yes. Theme parks to Disney are something they are in because they have to be. There is no passion for them from above. They are an overly expensive, childish marketing platform that requires 0 years of industry experience to run.

Exactly. Just like with their other successful franchises, Disney WILL find ways to get Marvel in the parks, especially if Marvel continues seeing success using more obscure characters in their films. Similarly, with the commercial and critical success of Big Hero 6, I wouldn't be at all surprised if WDAS is looking over the back-issue bin for other characters divorced enough from the rest of the Marvel Universe to use as a stand-alone animated feature.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Exactly. Just like with their other successful franchises, Disney WILL find ways to get Marvel in the parks, especially if Marvel continues seeing success using more obscure characters in their films. Similarly, with the commercial and critical success of Big Hero 6, I wouldn't be at all surprised if WDAS is looking over the back-issue bin for other characters divorced enough from the rest of the Marvel Universe to use as a stand-alone animated feature.

The theme parks are not allowed to find a way for anything. A studio paid for display prop or preview can easily be pulled and relocated elsewhere outside of the issue. Spending at least tens of millions of dollars on something so risky is nowhere near the same.

Walt Disney Animation Studios is not the theme parks. They are not concerned with or motivated by the theme parks, much less trying to circumvent a licensing deal with Universal.

 

[Matt_Black]

The theme parks are not allowed to find a way for anything. A studio paid for display prop or preview can easily be pulled and relocated elsewhere outside of the issue. Spending at least tens of millions of dollars on something so risky is nowhere near the same.

Walt Disney Animation Studios is not the theme parks. They are not concerned with or motivated by the theme parks, much less trying to circumvent a licensing deal with Universal.

Well, we'll see who's right down the road. I seem to recall while others said there would be no Marvel anything in the parks proper, I said that we'd see GotG and Big Hero 6, and we did see that. Granted, the latter was just a M&G and the former was a 3-d film preview and a one-off character engagement at a special event, but it's more than the nothing that others claimed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well, we'll see who's right down the road. I seem to recall while others said there would be no Marvel anything in the parks proper, I said that we'd see GotG and Big Hero 6, and we did see that. Granted, the latter was just a M&G and the former was a 3-d film preview and a one-off character engagement at a special event, but it's more than the nothing that others claimed.

All of that is paid for by the Studio...

 

[Matt_Black]

All of that is paid for by the Studio...

And? Do you think the average park goer is going to care who pays for it? When someone has an enjoyable meet & greet with Baymax, does it somehow not count because, hey, the studio paid for it! Split hairs all you like, but the fact is that as long as Marvel Studios continues to churn out hits, promotion will get expand further and further and that includes in-park events and attractions.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And? Do you think the average park goer is going to care who pays for it? When someone has an enjoyable meet & greet with Baymax, does it somehow not count because, hey, the studio paid for it! Split hairs all you like, but the fact is that as long as Marvel Studios continues to churn out hits, promotion will get expand further and further and that includes in-park events and attractions.

Disney cares. What you keep pointing to as Disney pushing boundaries is just some small expenses in the respective film's multimillion dollar marketing budget. It is not at all analogous to setting Walt Disney Imagineering to work on something more substantial. Film marketing is viewed as spending that is returned from the film itself. It doesn't matter if Universal shuts down a studio funded promotion because the money lost will still be made by the film when it is in theaters. A Parks and Resorts project being shut down is just a loss with no way to recover the investment.

 

[danlb_2000]

Well, we'll see who's right down the road. I seem to recall while others said there would be no Marvel anything in the parks proper, I said that we'd see GotG and Big Hero 6, and we did see that. Granted, the latter was just a M&G and the former was a 3-d film preview and a one-off character engagement at a special event, but it's more than the nothing that others claimed.

Anyone who claimed that Marvel characters would never appear in WDW obviously doesn't understand the contract.

 

[TubaGeek]

Marvel characters? Fine.
Spidey, Iron Man and Wolvie? Not without giving some major cash to their biggest domestic theme park compeditor.

Of course, this deal could happen with no noticeable benefit to Uni and instead dealing directly with Comcast... I hope it doesn't.

 

[doctornick]

Disney cares. What you keep pointing to as Disney pushing boundaries is just some small expenses in the respective film's multimillion dollar marketing budget. It is not at all analogous to setting Walt Disney Imagineering to work on something more substantial. Film marketing is viewed as spending that is returned from the film itself. It doesn't matter if Universal shuts down a studio funded promotion because the money lost will still be made by the film when it is in theaters. A Parks and Resorts project being shut down is just a loss with no way to recover the investment.

If you are suggesting that (in general) Disney is not investing in the parks, okay fine.

But if you are suggesting that the only reason that we won't see Marvel at WDW is because Disney won't "risk" spending money on a property that might be contractually questionable, well that is IMHO silly. Obviously, before Disney spends tons of money on development and building any attraction, they would have the legal folks be certain that it is free and clear to use. Heck, they at this point certainly have made that determination with BH6 and GotG considering they have used them in the parks.

The idea that they won't invest money due to uncertainty doesn't make any sense. There's a contract, there's lawyers, and if there's any questions, it's not like they can't have discussions and even formal written clarifications with Comcast.

We probably won't see much if any Marvel at WDW simply because Disney isn't investing money in general and Pixar and Star Wars seem to be higher priorities for use. But with the alleged Marvel plans at DLR, if anything is developed that is allowed at WDW (e.g. GotG), I would not be surprised at all to see it come to WDW in some capacity in the future.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Need I point out again...The Avengers can be used in Disneyland....Not World...This is from Disney Parks blog from the Avengers Half Marathon when they had The Avengers there..http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...lf-marathon-weekend-at-the-disneyland-resort/

So if you want to hype up for The Avengers Head out to 1313 Harbor Blvd in Anahiem....They'll probably be there..

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you are suggesting that (in general) Disney is not investing in the parks, okay fine.

But if you are suggesting that the only reason that we won't see Marvel at WDW is because Disney won't "risk" spending money on a property that might be contractually questionable, well that is IMHO silly. Obviously, before Disney spends tons of money on development and building any attraction, they would have the legal folks be certain that it is free and clear to use. Heck, they at this point certainly have made that determination with BH6 and GotG considering they have used them in the parks.

The idea that they won't invest money due to uncertainty doesn't make any sense. There's a contract, there's lawyers, and if there's any questions, it's not like they can't have discussions and even formal written clarifications with Comcast.

We probably won't see much if any Marvel at WDW simply because Disney isn't investing money in general and Pixar and Star Wars seem to be higher priorities for use. But with the alleged Marvel plans at DLR, if anything is developed that is allowed at WDW (e.g. GotG), I would not be surprised at all to see it come to WDW in some capacity in the future.

Disney coordinating with Comcast would mean revealing ideas to them, something Disney is not even keen on doing internally. The only use that has been seen is the Guardians of the Galaxy preview that did not include the additional effects included at Disneyland. And for now that may be fine, but it will be a different issue when those characters get tossed in with the Avengers in just a few short years. Meet and greets may not really be a full green light since on Universal's end they are considered to be "incidental" and not enough on their own to constitute "use."

 

[doctornick]

Disney coordinating with Comcast would mean revealing ideas to them, something Disney is not even keen on doing internally. The only use that has been seen is the Guardians of the Galaxy preview that did not include the additional effects included at Disneyland. And for now that may be fine, but it will be a different issue when those characters get tossed in with the Avengers in just a few short years. Meet and greets may not really be a full green light since on Universal's end they are considered to be "incidental" and not enough on their own to constitute "use."

That's just silly. It's like defending a trademark -- if you fail to defend it, it's the same as saying its allowed. Comcast can't say "GotG is all right in some contexts but not others" since the issue at hand is whether any theme park use is allowed. Comcast was perfectly aggressive with making sure that the Avengers monorail did not enter into a theme park and that's even more incidental than a M&G. GotG and BH6 are allowed at WDW; at this point that's established. Whether Disney plans to use them to any greater degree is a different question.

And coordinating with Comcast means simply determining ability to use. Why would any ideas have to be shared? "Can GotG characters be used in WDW?" is a simple question that reveals virtually nothing about intended plans.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's just silly. It's like defending a trademark -- if you fail to defend it, it's the same as saying its allowed. Comcast can't say "GotG is all right in some contexts but not others" since the issue at hand is whether any theme park use is allowed. Comcast was perfectly aggressive with making sure that the Avengers monorail did not enter into a theme park and that's even more incidental than a M&G. GotG and BH6 are allowed at WDW; at this point that's established. Whether Disney plans to use them to any greater degree is a different question.

And coordinating with Comcast means simply determining ability to use. Why would any ideas have to be shared? "Can GotG characters be used in WDW?" is a simple question that reveals virtually nothing about intended plans.

Because on Comcast's side meet and greets do not constitute use. For things outside of theme parks there are other, different rules that apply as well.