Pixar couldn't pull this off on their own. This is why Pixar needs Disney:
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Why Pixar Needs Disney!
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DisneyFan 2000
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I doubt they need Disney... I guess only time will tell. :animwink:
MouseRight
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DisneyFan 2000 said:
I get that you are not too happy with the Mouse these days (Thus the "Save Disney Avatar), but it is frustrating for me to see someone whose name is "DisneyFan" knock the Mouse's contributions to Pixar's success, theh way you do. Disney/Pixar has been a partnership between the 2 companies in every sense of the word. Whatever success Pixar has had, and is having, has been based on the fact that Disney has brought its tremendous animation, marketing, and distribution experience to the table.
I have said it before and will say it again. Without Disney, Pixar would have been been right up there with Fox' and Warner Brothers' Feature Anamiation departments - that is - NO Where.
DisneyFan 2000
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MouseRight said:
I agree with every word BUT I do believe that from this point foward Pixar has enough money and resources to fly solo. I never said Disney didn't have anything to do with Pixar's success in the past, because I believe that only because of Disney Pixar is now so famous.
Yes, I knock Disney around alot but that's only because I'm such a Disney fan. I've been disappointed recently with Disney's productions yet satisfied with Pixar's. I hope that in time Disney will return to their routes and proove me that they can still create quality features... I will stop the minute Disney delivers again a true classic. Anyway, I respect your comment. If it seems I only complain about the company I will try to show my appreciation more every now and then. :wave:
Shaman
Well-Known Member
Pixar would have been successful without Disney...and I commend the powers that be at Disney for partnering with Pixar when they did (they had the vision then to do so, thankfully)....
The fact is, Pixar is needing Disney less and less with each movie release...
Disney would be smart to keep Pixar close...there could be a profitable mutual relationship if neither side drops the ball...
Neither Disney nor Pixar will fall from the face of the Earth if they don't partner up after the deal expires. Just my take on the whole issue.
The fact is, Pixar is needing Disney less and less with each movie release...
Disney would be smart to keep Pixar close...there could be a profitable mutual relationship if neither side drops the ball...
Neither Disney nor Pixar will fall from the face of the Earth if they don't partner up after the deal expires. Just my take on the whole issue.
MouseRight
Active Member
objr said:Pixar would have been successful without Disney...
I must respectively disagree. Pixar was a Company with a couple of computers and a few animators when they started out. The Disney partnership gave them creditability and expertise they didn't have. In the beginning they had no marketing or distribution system. They had story ideas, but Disney's animators helped them flush out the stories and worked with them to make the movies in the "Disney" style - strong story lines, likeable charcters, etc. Nothing got released unless Disney (Eisner) approved it. Disney and Pixar went through the story boarding process together as a team and tweeked and fixed until they got it right. Without Disney thay may have got the movies finished but would have had trouble marketing and distributing them. The other studios already had their own animation studios and may not have wanted to distribute Pixar's. They didn't have a Licensing dept which helped them to create products to sell - Disney led that effort. An example. The just released Disney catalog has 8 pages of Incredibles merchandise and 2 pages of advertisements for the movie. Where can Pixar reach the audience that this catalog, the Disney Stores, The McDonalds Happy Meal Deal, and Theme Parks gives them in getting the public excited about seeing this movie? No where. I can go on.
Yes, Pixar has grown and may be ready to go on its own, but there is no way they would have been where they are without the Disney influence and partnership.
Testtrack321
Well-Known Member
Just because Pixar had Disney's help dosn't mean they should have it for ever and ever. I think Pixar should go, will it hurt Disney, yes, but I think that's what it needs to send a shock to get things right again.
MouseRight
Active Member
Testtrack321 said:
I totally agree. In order for Disney to get its Animation crown back, it needs to do it on its own in the Disney Tradition. I agree that working with Pixar is one of the main causes of Disney's creative decline. Too much time, money, and other resources were spent on Pixar's movies instead of its own.
I am one of the few people on these boards to think and say that losing Pixar will be good for the company, not bad.
Shaman
Well-Known Member
It could also be said that perhaps Pixar's success could be attributed to the novelty of the whole "3D" computer animation concept for a full movie. It had never been seen before, and thus, people came out to see what it was all about. It was only then that people saw the story and the characters.MouseRight said:
Never had Disney released a 3D computer animated movie, perhaps it could be said, they hadn't thought up that idea, yet...thats why they partnered with Pixar...
Both companies benifited...Pixar got name recognition, Disney got the money.
DisneyFan 2000
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MouseRight said:
I seriously doubt that because of extra resources needed quality declined... We'll just wait and see. As of now Chicken Little (which is 100% Disney) looks a bit stupid (imo). I doubt Disney can deliver quality features with current management even without the extra resources and money spent on Pixar.
ClemsonTigger
Naturally Grumpy
I have really mixed feelings here. I agree that Disney for the most part has made Pixar, although the reason for the success of the Pixar movies is because they follow the Disney philosophy better than Disney has in the past decade...and it has nothing to do with a computer...they've written GOOD stories. Artists, programmers whomever can make wonderful pictures, but who cares if you can make realistic hair or real water if there is no story?
Disney has been heavy handed in the relationship as of late, and I think the biggest issue is a personality conflict with ME, but Pixar has been too big for it's britches with it's demands as well. Return control of all current characters to them? ... of course Disney could not make that deal.
As it stands now...both parties are cutting off their noses to spite their faces, and both will loose, at least in the short term. JMHO
Disney has been heavy handed in the relationship as of late, and I think the biggest issue is a personality conflict with ME, but Pixar has been too big for it's britches with it's demands as well. Return control of all current characters to them? ... of course Disney could not make that deal.
As it stands now...both parties are cutting off their noses to spite their faces, and both will loose, at least in the short term. JMHO
wdwmaniac
Member
I think it is to early to tell who needs who. I think a good deciding factor will be how Disney's Chicken Little does (and the repsone to the Teaser in front of the Incredibles was very good). Also a good factor will be to watch how Robots, the Polar Express and other studios movies do. So if Chicken Little and the other CGI companies like Sony and WB start having alot of hits PIXAR will need a big name and partner like Disney to help them, while Disney will be just fine. on the other hand if Chicken Flops and the other CGI companies have no luck Disney needs PIXAR, but hey Disney also has Core Media (the Wild) and Vanguard (Valient).
I feel that PIXAR's days are numbered. As we have seen with Dreamwork's Sherk, PIXAR's not the only that can make CGI. And the past years no one has really been competing with PIXAR this up coming year it looks like everyone is throwing a movie out there in CGI so PIXAR will not be the only one on the market.
I feel that PIXAR's days are numbered. As we have seen with Dreamwork's Sherk, PIXAR's not the only that can make CGI. And the past years no one has really been competing with PIXAR this up coming year it looks like everyone is throwing a movie out there in CGI so PIXAR will not be the only one on the market.
GaryT977
New Member
wdwmaniac said:
Really? Numbered?
Since Pixar's first release, there have been several CGI films released, and with the exception of the two Shrek films, no one has come close to matching Pixar. Pixar's box office take grows with each release.
Pixar will do fine without Disney. The comment that Pixar was nothing but a couple of guys with computers until Disney came along is, I think, obviously an exaggeration.
At this point, I'm hoping that Pixar goes and proves they don't need Disney, at least not anymore. It'll be interesting to see if they can do as well without the cereal tie-ins, happy meal toys and theme park characters.
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
But just look at the numbers. Even Shark Tales didn't have an opening like that! When people start getting interested in the storyline only Pixar will score with their movies.