Which game system to buy for group?

prberk

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Hello everyone. I am stuck.

I want to buy a game system to donate for use at church with a teen youth group that I lead. They have a casual time of about 45 minutes before each Wednesday evening meeting, where they hang out, play music or sports, etc. Several who have been attending lately are really into video games at home, and I would like to buy a game system for them and others to play on the projector before and maybe after youth, as well as at some events.

The intent is to be inclusive and have good, clean fun. The group is not that large (about 13 at a time on average, mostly high schoolers, but several who could come more often), but we are growing. (Some older kids graduated out.)

I was originally intent on the Wii, since it was physically interactive, fun, and popular.

Then at the store they recommended Kinnect, since it would (1) work without controllers, and (2) be new and exciting. I asked the kids, and even had two of the bigger gamers come and try it out. They liked it a lot, and wanted it.

But I started to see that the games for Kinnect were not only limited (as it was new, and I understood that), but tended to be more edgy, not necessarily appropriate for church. For example, they only had one dance game, and about half of the songs on it were very suggestive. Not that they would not hear them on the radio, but they might present a problem I would rather avoid. The girls had all asked for a dance game if I bought the new system. Boys wanted sports and hunting (and some dancing).

The Kinect had sports games (which would be the most attractive to a large group), but the additional games again tended to be a little aggressive, although not all were. And, of course the normal X-Box 360 games worked with it, but required more controllers.

In our area, hunting and fishing and active sports are popular, especially with our kids, but they are also tech savvy and enjoy gaming.

Our church rents our space, so anything we have has to be put up and taken down weekly.

The pros to the Wii: Most have it or have access to it. It is familiar. Many games available, expecially dance selections.

Cons to the Wii: Everyone has it. (Not so new and exciting.) Keeping up with controllers. Games perceived by some teens as more for children.

Pros to the Kinect: No one has it. No controllers necessary. Has the WOW factor. Can still use the regular X-Box games (but only with controllers).

Cons to the Kinect: Very few games (for the time being). Games are sometimes edgy. Need controllers to use old games.

We did see the Sony Playstation 3 and its wand add-on, which was new and exciting in a way to them, but did not seem much different than the Wii in game play.

Also, the Wii was less expensive, until you added all the controllers necessary to let up to 4 play.

Anyway, those are most of my thoughts in a nutshell, and I would like people here to help me think about it and choose. The goal is to buy something that will be fun and another good reason to hang out at church, leading into youth group programs or just for positive fun as a contrast to other, more negative influences.

What do you all think? I truly need some insight.

Paul
 

Nemo14

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Paul - I think that's a great way of getting more kids interested in the youth group. We love our Wii, but, like you said, everyone (practically) has one so it might not be such a novelty. Have you asked the kids for some input about it? Having them involved in the decision would probably keep them interested too.
 

rsoxguy

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Not being a "gamer", I can not suggest a specific system, except to say that my daughter has a Wii system and enjoys the different games and exercise programs.
I can , however, offer advice based on the things that you mentioned in regard to the content of certain programs. Any activity that is established for the sake of a church youth group should be planned with a high degree of Biblical discernment. I realize that the children to whom you are ministering probably see and hear worse at home, but the responsibility to present purity in content and method still rests upon the shoulders of spiritual leaders. I would humbly suggest that you choose a system based upon the availability of programs that do not compromise the moral teachings of your church, or the Bible. If these kids are indeed exposed to lower standards at home or on the street, let them see the contrast presented through higher standards within the ministry. You may not gain as many followers, but those that are gained will become stronger disciples.
 

prberk

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I did take a few them to the store, and found that they liked the Kinnect better-- it was cool-- but all said they would be happy with anything.

Rsoxguy, what you are saying is what gave me pause about the dance game and some of the other X-Box titles, though certainly not all. I did tell the girls who had asked about a dance game, and they said that they would pick the "appropriate" songs (and these are faithful girls). But definitely something to think about.

The WOW factor and no controllers idea are attractive. And I don't know what new games are coming for Kinnect, but I am still not sure.

Anyone here have the Kinnect dance game, or know if you can add other songs easily?

How about for Wii?

What about the other Kinnect games, compared to Wii, especially sports? Any experience in a group/church setting?
 

prberk

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What type of tv would it be hooked up to?

Plasma, conventional tube tv, lcd?

Projector on a white wall.

(Same projector we will use for PowerPoint Bible study during the second hour. So it is already there.)

I really appreciate any comments that you all might have, especially if you have experience with the Kinnect.
 

prberk

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Any more thoughts? I am really looking for good, strong opinions on either side before I have to make a decision.

Thanks again.

Paul
 

The MadHatter

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Cons to the Kinect: Very few games (for the time being). "Games are sometimes edgy". Need controllers to use old games.

why is edgy a con?
 

Nemo14

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I'd say the Wii too. There is a great variety of games for it (including Toy Story Mania), which would mean that kids are more likely to bring in games to play, and the extra controllers, etc. to share.
 

prberk

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Cons to the Kinect: Very few games (for the time being). "Games are sometimes edgy". Need controllers to use old games.

why is edgy a con?

As in, possibly too easy to go over the line (language, etc.) for the environment and purpose.

But "cool" aspect of "edgy" (as in, realistic graphics) is good.

The hard part is that I am aiming mostly at high-schoolers and older middle-schoolers, and they like the graphics and the fact that you need no controller other than your own body; but some the games can't be inappropriate. Certain things, such as foul language and suggestive lyrics, can be inappropriate for anybody, but especially at church.

But I wasn't sure if I was overstating that about the games (as in, did I just happen to see a few like that or is that truly representative of XBox and Kinnect compared to others). That is where you all come in, especially if you have experience with Kinnect and/or X-Box.

I did see a hunting game that I thought they would like for X-Box. So, if I get the Kinnect, I may get that also.

Anyway, thanks for the responses so far. I will await a few more and then try to make a decision.... So, if you have any more thoughts or advice, let me know! I trust this community. ... Mostly! ;-)

Paul
 

dr_teeth90210

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If the game is going to be projected onto a white wall then I would say go with the Xbox. Wii graphics (Read 480P at best) projected onto a large wall just aint pretty.
 

prberk

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If the game is going to be projected onto a white wall then I would say go with the Xbox. Wii graphics (Read 480P at best) projected onto a large wall just aint pretty.

I have borrowed a regular X-Box 360 to use tomorrow, along with an independent hunting game. I will see how they work with the projector, using sports and hunting games tonight.

I also found a computer-based dance game called, "Dance Praise," which one of the students had. She only had one dance pad, but I ordered two more and will see how that goes, along with the latest music expansion pack (#7 if you know the game... at www.dancepraise.com ). This may solve the problem of the inappropriate lyrics and themes on the dance game available for X-Box.

So, we will also test both on the projector in the next week.

I probably will still get the Kinect later (or the Wii), but for now this will test how "fun" it is with the projector. Several students have committed to be responsible for setup and takedown. So, we will see at least the effect of the projector tonight....

And, if they seem to like it tonight, I may get the main system by Super Bowl Sunday (when we have a party). It could be a great "second room" during the Super Bowl party.

Paul
 

Nemo14

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Paul - I teach in a Christian school, and I posed your question to some of my middle schoolers yesterday. It was interesting to hear their comments, but they were pretty split between the Wii and the Kinect, basically right along gender lines.
 

erasure fan1

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I say the X-box 360 4gb slim Kinect bundle is the way to go ($299). The ps3 move really is just a wii with more edge (and a lot more $$$). It does have more games for the older crowd but the tech is been there done that with the wii. The wii just isnt that great, yea it has lots of games but its mostly garbage. No HD, unstable motion tracking and the online isnt very good. Most all of the people I know are just not very interested and bored with it now that the novelty has worn off. I dont think my sister has turned the wii on since they got the Kinect.

As of right now Kinect really doesnt have a very strong library but its coming. I have some friends in game development and their companies like the kinect best as well. It by far is the coolest tech of the 3 and has the most promise.
 

prberk

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Well, I bought a Kinect system tonight from Target with a sports game (the boxing/football one), and I will debut it tomorrow night at the Super Bowl party. I also bought a separate Christian dance game (Dance Praise) for the computer, to use separately. It conquers the lyric problem on the X-Box dance game.

On Wednesday, they got to play the X-Box (regular) and a hunting game, as well as the Dance Praise game, on the projector, and had a great time. But the X-Box that I borrowed had a frayed cord, so it was hard to get it to stay in the projector.

Anyhow, we'll see what happens. Thanks for all of the input.

Paul
 

prberk

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The Kinect was a hit! And it was fun on the projector. At first they couldn't figure out how to do it without standing in front of (and blocking) the projector! But they eventually figured out to turn the Kinect sensor at an angle from teh projector, and it was awesome. So, they played and had a great time during the super bowl party (opposite side of a large room, from the TV).

So, between that and the dance thing and hunting game, I think we have a hit. And I let one of the two boys who showed the most interest take it home until youth night on Wednesday. Those two have agreed to be there early and be responsible for setup and take-down. So that also gives them some ownership, and makes them feel responsible.

Thanks for your input. We'll see how it goes in the future.

Paul
 

Master Yoda

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I am a little late to the party but I can not recommended the Kinect enough. I have both an Xbox 360 with Kinect as well as the Wii. Since we got a Kinect the Wii barley gets turned on anymore . The Kinect is just leaps and bounds better than the Wii in every aspect. The graphics are better, the game play is light years better and it could not be simpler to use. In many games a player can join is simply by standing in front of the camera. The can bail out of a game just as easily. One other plus of no controllers is you pay $150 to buy a Kinect and you are done. We paid $200 for a Wii and then proceeded to pay about another $300 for extra Wiimotes, nunchucks, Wii Fit, skins, batteries and accessories.

While there are not a ton of games out for Kinect yet, you can get a tremendous amount of mileage out of the Kinect adventures that comes with the Kinect and Kinect Sports.

If you have any questions about your particular set up, which system to buy, etc, feel free to fire away.
 

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