Where in the World Isn't Bob Saget?

Songbird76

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You’ve mentions before that she’s - I’ll use “difficult” - but wow - that’s next level.
Well, to be fair, most of the time she's lovely and generous and I love her to death. When I first moved here, we lived with them for 3 years. That was so so hard and I would not recommend anyone living with their in-laws...it's just not a good dynamic, because the parents' loyalty is to their "baby" and they will always see their children as just that....children. Not as independent adults, even if they are paying rent. When we were in the process of renovating our house so we finally had a place of our own, I suspect that it was hard for her because she no longer felt in control. I just had to put my foot down a few times and tell my husband that if his mother and I disagreed on style, -I- was the one who would be living here, and we were the ones paying, so she didn't get a vote. Fortunately, he agreed. And now that we have our own place, my relationship with my in-laws has gotten infinitely better. We still have our moments, as all families do. But I really love them.
 

Songbird76

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No one can tell you how it will go. She seems nice, but, doesn't seem to be aggressively trying to carry it any further. But, who knows, she might be interested but is being cautious. They tell me that women don't like rejection very much either. A couple of years ago, shortly after my 50th class reunion, I emailed my first love, my first date and the woman that our HS class predicted we would be married shortly after graduation. We weren't. I had to go off to a war and while I was gone she met and married her true love. They are still married but, she does still keep up communications with me. In case that sounds to melodramatic, she told me before I actually went of Vietnam and didn't even have orders yet. So it wasn't a "foxhole Dear John". Another X-girlfriend of mine also still stays in touch via Facebook.

I'm telling you this just so you don't get your hopes up to high, Yes, you should give it a shot, but just come out and ask if she might be interested in going out again. It might be like ripping a band-aid off, painful but quick, or it might get a positive reply. I always found that lingering, will she, won't she, was much more emotionally painful then just getting it over with. And many times we are really surprised to find out that there is an interest there.
Agreed. I will say, as a female, nice girls aren't going to want to hurt your feelings, even if she's not interested. And often, we have to learn the hard way that a lot of boys don't do "subtle". I ended up engaged to a guy who I never even wanted to date because he never actually asked me out...he just assumed that because he liked me and expressed an interest that I was on board. He told me that he didn't like my boyfriend and didn't think he treated me well and I could do better. I asked him who was better than my boyfriend (I was totally in love with my boyfriend) and he said I could have him. Not wanting to hurt him by telling him he was in no way better than the man I loved, I tried to be diplomatic by saying "I'm flattered", but not actually saying I wasn't interested. Big mistake. He took it to mean "Yay! I'd love to dump my boyfriend and be with you!"

A couple of months later, I was looking at his class ring...we had just started college. He told me to wear it and I once again tried to be diplomatic and told him it was too big and I didn't want to lose it. He insisted I should wear it so everyone could see I was his girl. I tried to give it back, insisting even on my thumb it was just too big. But I had a necklace that I wore every day, so he told me to hang it on that. I didn't see how I could give it back without hurting his feelings, so I put it on and he was so happy....then told me that was a promise for another ring to come. Though he never actually asked me to marry him and I never said I wanted to, he considered us engaged from that moment on and I was a coward and didn't want to hurt him. I thought he'd figure it out over time that he had made a mistake....we had only been "dating" for like 2 months when he gave me the class ring. We were only 18, freshmen in college, and barely knew each other. I thought he'd just never officially propose and we would fizzle out....then the next day he said something like "I can't believe we're engaged!!" and I was in shock...he'd insisted I wear the class ring before he had said anything about marriage even though I was reluctant to accept it, and he never gave me a chance to say yes or no. I hadn't realized he considered that a binding agreement. In hindsight, I should have given the ring back immediately and told him things were moving way too fast and I really wasn't ready for that, but I still thought once he got to know me, he'd realize we weren't a good fit.

He was a good friend, and I just didn't want to hurt him and he was always saying that nice guys always finished last, and how girls only ever wanted guys who treated them like crap and weren't interested in someone like him. I didn't want to be just like all the other girls, and I didn't want to break his heart, so I went along with it hoping I'd grow to love him in a more romantic way eventually. I felt trapped. I either had to break his heart or live a lie and as I was very insecure, I thought it was better to have someone who loved me even if I didn't feel the same way than have no one at all. I chose wrong. But I learned, you can't be subtle. Sometimes you have to rip off the bandaid...it might hurt in the moment, but it's better in the long run. And I'd advise men to make sure that what they hear as a yes is in fact what she means as a yes!
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
@Nemo14 , I thought about you last night, wondering if you saw the special about Downton Abbey on PBS (8 PM). It was a 90-minute show, (with pledge breaks as usual). This was an interesting compilation of the entire series, and also some behind-the-scenes stories, and interviews with the actors. (The host was Allen Leech, who played the chauffeur, who married Lady Sybil.)
 

Mike S

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Agreed. I will say, as a female, nice girls aren't going to want to hurt your feelings, even if she's not interested. And often, we have to learn the hard way that a lot of boys don't do "subtle". I ended up engaged to a guy who I never even wanted to date because he never actually asked me out...he just assumed that because he liked me and expressed an interest that I was on board. He told me that he didn't like my boyfriend and didn't think he treated me well and I could do better. I asked him who was better than my boyfriend (I was totally in love with my boyfriend) and he said I could have him. Not wanting to hurt him by telling him he was in no way better than the man I loved, I tried to be diplomatic by saying "I'm flattered", but not actually saying I wasn't interested. Big mistake. He took it to mean "Yay! I'd love to dump my boyfriend and be with you!"

A couple of months later, I was looking at his class ring...we had just started college. He told me to wear it and I once again tried to be diplomatic and told him it was too big and I didn't want to lose it. He insisted I should wear it so everyone could see I was his girl. I tried to give it back, insisting even on my thumb it was just too big. But I had a necklace that I wore every day, so he told me to hang it on that. I didn't see how I could give it back without hurting his feelings, so I put it on and he was so happy....then told me that was a promise for another ring to come. Though he never actually asked me to marry him and I never said I wanted to, he considered us engaged from that moment on and I was a coward and didn't want to hurt him. I thought he'd figure it out over time that he had made a mistake....we had only been "dating" for like 2 months when he gave me the class ring. We were only 18, freshmen in college, and barely knew each other. I thought he'd just never officially propose and we would fizzle out....then the next day he said something like "I can't believe we're engaged!!" and I was in shock...he'd insisted I wear the class ring before he had said anything about marriage even though I was reluctant to accept it, and he never gave me a chance to say yes or no. I hadn't realized he considered that a binding agreement. In hindsight, I should have given the ring back immediately and told him things were moving way too fast and I really wasn't ready for that, but I still thought once he got to know me, he'd realize we weren't a good fit.

He was a good friend, and I just didn't want to hurt him and he was always saying that nice guys always finished last, and how girls only ever wanted guys who treated them like crap and weren't interested in someone like him. I didn't want to be just like all the other girls, and I didn't want to break his heart, so I went along with it hoping I'd grow to love him in a more romantic way eventually. I felt trapped. I either had to break his heart or live a lie and as I was very insecure, I thought it was better to have someone who loved me even if I didn't feel the same way than have no one at all. I chose wrong. But I learned, you can't be subtle. Sometimes you have to rip off the bandaid...it might hurt in the moment, but it's better in the long run. And I'd advise men to make sure that what they hear as a yes is in fact what she means as a yes!
I know I’m crazy, but that’s a whole different kind of crazy. 18 and trying to get engaged to a girl you barely know after only 2 months?!?!?!?! I’m happy my situation almost 5 years ago now went differently. I ripped off the bandaid, she told me what the situation was, we just remained friendly after that. Yes it kind of hurt initially but the fact she remained nice after helped a lot. And now after all this time I took the plunge and made contact again. I just wish I could’ve picked a better time to do it for her sake. I’m thinking of asking how she’s doing sometime later this week 😕
 

JenniferS

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Songbird76

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I know I’m crazy, but that’s a whole different kind of crazy. 18 and trying to get engaged to a girl you barely know after only 2 months?!?!?!?! I’m happy my situation almost 5 years ago now went differently. I ripped off the bandaid, she told me what the situation was, we just remained friendly after that. Yes it kind of hurt initially but the fact she remained nice after helped a lot. And now after all this time I took the plunge and made contact again. I just wish I could’ve picked a better time to do it for her sake. I’m thinking of asking how she’s doing sometime later this week 😕
Well, we had known each other for a few years, but distantly. We met our sophomore year of high school at a Summer academic program, which was also where I met my boyfriend at the time. I was never interested in the guy and he was actually one of those guys who didn't seem to fit in anywhere. He was very unpopular, which never mattered to me. I was always one of those people to stand up for the underdog and I was nice to everyone, which is what he liked about me. I didn't blow him off and I wasn't mean to him when most people were. We became friends and we'd see each other about twice a year at Student Council convention and All-State Music festival where he was in the band and I was in the choir. So we had met and we were friends, but we really hadn't spent much time together....the academic program was 3 weeks long, and the activities where we'd see each other were a couple of days each. Not really enough time to get to know people well.

He built up an image of me in his head and that's who he loved, but it wasn't who I really was. When I broke off the engagement, I told him I wasn't happy and his response was "Well, I am! Can't you just be happy that I'm happy?" So basically "Whether you're happy or not doesn't matter to me. You should be willing to sacrifice yourself for my happiness." So I knew he didn't really love me, but the idea of me. It wasn't me he loved, but the image in his head that he projected onto me. And that's probably why he didn't get the hint that I wasn't interested....his dream image of me loved him back and would never have turned him down, so it never occurred to him that maybe I didn't feel the same way about him. His dream girl had all the same likes and dislikes, agreed with his opinion about everyone and everything, and was happy to do whatever he thought was best without ever having an opinion herself. It was actually pretty manipulative and abusive. He was very controlling.
 

Mike S

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Well, we had known each other for a few years, but distantly. We met our sophomore year of high school at a Summer academic program, which was also where I met my boyfriend at the time. I was never interested in the guy and he was actually one of those guys who didn't seem to fit in anywhere. He was very unpopular, which never mattered to me. I was always one of those people to stand up for the underdog and I was nice to everyone, which is what he liked about me. I didn't blow him off and I wasn't mean to him when most people were. We became friends and we'd see each other about twice a year at Student Council convention and All-State Music festival where he was in the band and I was in the choir. So we had met and we were friends, but we really hadn't spent much time together....the academic program was 3 weeks long, and the activities where we'd see each other were a couple of days each. Not really enough time to get to know people well.

He built up an image of me in his head and that's who he loved, but it wasn't who I really was. When I broke off the engagement, I told him I wasn't happy and his response was "Well, I am! Can't you just be happy that I'm happy?" So basically "Whether you're happy or not doesn't matter to me. You should be willing to sacrifice yourself for my happiness." So I knew he didn't really love me, but the idea of me. It wasn't me he loved, but the image in his head that he projected onto me. And that's probably why he didn't get the hint that I wasn't interested....his dream image of me loved him back and would never have turned him down, so it never occurred to him that maybe I didn't feel the same way about him. His dream girl had all the same likes and dislikes, agreed with his opinion about everyone and everything, and was happy to do whatever he thought was best without ever having an opinion herself. It was actually pretty manipulative and abusive. He was very controlling.
Looks like he wasn’t a “nice guy” after all. About the building an image in your head thing it’s hard not to do that before you actually know someone but you have to be willing to tear that down and get to know the actual person or things will go very badly as you’ve demonstrated with your story.

I do feel a bit for the guy though. He clearly had these issues because of constant social rejection and latched on to the first girl that showed any kindness to him. Hopefully he’s gotten help.
 

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