Where has all the "Magic" gone?

CP_alum08

Well-Known Member
I hope you succeed in changing the direction and focus of a multi-billion dollar, world wide company with your internet rants. Let us all know how that works out for you.

Just out of curiosity, how many times did you find the paintbrush? Or even look for it for that matter?

As others have pointed out, there is only one way to get your message across and it's to stop going. Stop giving the company money.
 

mickeysbrother

Well-Known Member
I was waiting in his rant to say that he would but his own paintbrush for someone to find.

Witch got me thinking...

Would Disney allow 1 of us to put 1 paintbrush for other members on here to find and replace after we posted where and when we found it? Kinda like geocaching???
 

NYwdwfan

Well-Known Member
The magic is still there. And the 80's weren't perfect. Difference is, there wasn't an Internet or forums for people to post about every hair that was out of place on the dolls in it's a small world or how the Contemporary Arcade games keep eating their quarters. Just imagine the threads bashing 20K and the faded, un-animated statues? Or defects on the screen in Body Wars. Fact is, most people wouldn't be bothered by much of what is "wrong today" if someone hadn't pointed it out. I love this forum and the exchange of ideas, recommendations and speculation - but I would never let someone else's grumblings color how I FEEL about my favorite place to be anywhere in the world.

*steps down off soapbox*
 

Tom

Beta Return
I was waiting in his rant to say that he would but his own paintbrush for someone to find.

Witch got me thinking...

Would Disney allow 1 of us to put 1 paintbrush for other members on here to find and replace after we posted where and when we found it? Kinda like geocaching???

When Geocaching was big, MANY were hidden within Disney parks. Disney didn't condone it, and from what I heard, if they knew of them, they'd go remove them. People still did it, but it does sort of disrupt things if you have a bunch of people with GPS running around and digging through plants and such.

That doesn't mean you CAN'T hide your own paintbrush, but I wouldn't bother asking Disney's permission first, because the answer is going to no.
 

Hulacat

Active Member
There are two old red phone booths near the restrooms at the UK pavilion. The phones in them actually work, and have inbound phone numbers. If you know those numbers (I do, but not sure if I'd get scolded for posting them on here), you can sit on a bench nearby and have some fun with people :D
Oooooh, I will have to look for the number since we are locals and our FL resident seasonal passes are letting us TODAY:)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Britt

Well-Known Member
Honestly, people are to busy picking things apart to just enjoy it.

We're going next week and I have no intentions of picking apart things that aren't perfect. I just plan to enjoy the time with my family, with my kids, away from my husbands job. Watching my kids have an absolute blast. I dont care about laughing noises on a ride or a Yetti on a rollar coaster....as long as it doesn't throw me off the tracks...we're good.

Just relax...enjoy your trip and stop focusing on the bad instead of the good. Watch your kid enjoy the sights instead of pointing out what isn't there.
 

BrerPete

Active Member
I would argue that a fair share of the "magic" (whatever that means) is still there. It is possible to be totally and utterly cognizant of WDW's cutbacks but still be able to enjoy your vacation.

That said, as a Spirited friend has told me, the easiest way to "protest" is vote with your dollars. If you perceive WDW to be an inferior product, then don't go. Or don't stay onsite, don't buy their merchandise, don't eat on property, etc. When people stop spending at (and visiting) the property en masse, Disney will be forced to do something eventually. We're beginning to see this with what is being discussed in the News and Rumors section, as WDW management reaches a fever pitch as visitation at the parks is way down and guests realize that Disney is hacking away at offerings and details and not adding more to its parks.

The problem with doing forms of protest at the Parks is that WDW is private property. When visiting WDW, you are a guest. Protesting in front of the castle would be "trespassing" just as much as protesting outside the EPCOT entrance plaza. Disney can and will find any excuse to remove you or suppress any movement on their property. This is different than, say, Occupy Wall Street, where folks occupied private land that, under an agreement with New York City, had to be open for the public at any given time. We don't have that sort of agreement at Disney. They can just as easily kick you off the property and "banish" you as I can from someone on my private property.

I never visited WDW in its prime. My first visit was in 2000 and I didn't start regularly visiting until 2004. Even now, I know the parks that I experienced are not the same as the parks in the 70's and 80's. It is saddening to know that, as much as I love the parks as they are now, they offered so much more when I was never around (or alive!) to visit. Even as I've visited over the past eight years, Disney has continued to cut. Disney in 2004 is much different than Disney in 2012. This makes me disappointed and less willing to shell out the money that we do to go to WDW, when I know that with each subsequent visit, more is being cut back but prices continue to increase.

So we go on vacation to different places. Our family loves Disney World, but we're taking a break from visiting for a few years. If you really want to send a message to Disney, do the same. They'll realize (if they haven't already) that a veritable exodus of a demographic Disney had taken for granted means that changes are going to have to be made. And hopefully this means the magic comes back.

Agreed. Sometimes you just have to walk away and take a breath.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
I'll repeat my response on another thread. Sorry if you've already tread it.

As people constantly discuss on these forums, even today DHS and DAK are not full-day parks. Most seem to think of these as half-day parks. Conversely, MK is generally considered a 2-day park while Epcot is considered a 1-day park. Added together, today we have 4 days of entertainment at the parks whereas we had 3 days of entertainment in 1983 (Epcot's first full year).

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I'm a big fan of the water parks but don't think anyone considers them to be full-day parks. Let's be generous and call them half-day parks each. That means today we have 5 day of entertainment at WDW without repeating.

A 5-day ticket with hopper & water parks costs $347 or $69.40/day. A 3-day ticket for WDW in 1983 costs (in inflation adjusted dollars) $80.51, or $26.84/day. Even taking into account park additions and adjusting for inflation, a day at WDW is now more than 2 1/2 times more expensive than it was in 1983.
I challenge you to do everything DAK has to offer in half a day. Every show. Every ride. Every nature trail or path. Just because you and others may not consider it or DHS a full day is by choice. One could use your logic with MK or Epcot, walk in, do a couple of rides, then leave
 

FettFan

Well-Known Member
So now today's WDW is 2.2 times more expensive than it was in 1983, the year before Eisner took over control of WDW and started us on this price treadmill.

Yes it's 2.2 times more expensive...but there are 2 times as many parks. I see the price as fair.
 

FettFan

Well-Known Member
No, it's $357 vs. $80.51, which is 4.4 times more expensive in total dollars. If you take into account the additional parks, then it's 2.2 times more expensive.

Not for a three day hopper ticket.

$80.51 vs $299. Amusement parks only with the hopper option.

Now if you want to go with more days...
A six day pass in 1983 was $60.
Adjusted for inflation, that would be 129.60 / 21.60 per day, with access to MK and Epcot.

A six day pass today is 335 / 55.83 per day, with access to MK, Epcot, DHS, and AK.

2.6 times more expensive today than it was then. Twice the number of parks, one of which is full of exotic animals that need constant care, while all four attempt to present the newest entertainment technology periodically to keep from going stale, and maintain a veritable army of cast members who are trained to maintain world-class customer service.

I'm sorry, but I still see the price as being fair.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
and gets you into two additional parks, transportation to a large retail and entertainment district, as well as two additional water parks (if you upgrade) that were not around in 1983.
That logic doesn't work.

Three days are three days to spend. You do not gain something extra in these days with WDW's expansion, you only (mostly) gain an incentive to spend more days.

Imagine buying a one day ticket to a single theme park. Does the value increase if it is valid in forty theme parks? No, hardly, because you have only one day's time.

A larger menu in a restaurant does not increase the value of the meal you ordered.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
There are two old red phone booths near the restrooms at the UK pavilion. The phones in them actually work, and have inbound phone numbers. If you know those numbers (I do, but not sure if I'd get scolded for posting them on here), you can sit on a bench nearby and have some fun with people :D
The numbers are pretty easy to find with a simple Google search:

Right Booth 407-827-9861
Left Booth 407-827-9862
Center Booth 407-827-9863
 

Tom

Beta Return
The numbers are pretty easy to find with a simple Google search:

Right Booth 407-827-9861
Left Booth 407-827-9862
Center Booth 407-827-9863

That would be them. Park your butt on a safely far, yet nearby bench. Watch for a gullible looking person to walk by, or even go inside one, then call it.

Using you best (worst) British accent, have some safe, family-friendly fun with them. It's meant to be a tool to help make the Guest experience a bit more fun and un-regimented - so those who use it should not try to be vulgar or threatening.
 

Goofnut1980

Well-Known Member
I really believe the magic is still there. We just have to stop whining about the tiny little things that get changed. Maybe cutting the napkin branding is something that could save them millions of dollars a year and they don't want to have to pass that cost over to their guests.

I can tell you this... After being a long time Disney go-er, I went to our Zoo here in Columbus last weekend. We are supposed to be the #1 zoo in the country. With that said, I kept comparing things to Disney. From trash being on the ground and someone not walking around sweeping up the small pieces that were blowing around, to the flags in AsiaQuest area that were wrapped around each other. That is something you would never see at Disney, messed up flags or trash on the ground. I commented on how they do their food and refillable mugs.

I really do think Disney has service down to a "T". It is just unfortunate, the park is over 40 years old and things are not as new as they once were. That means slowly they have to fix those things. And if you all think just painting facades of a building is easy and cheap, it's not. I am working on a committee at work to just change lightbulbs in our ceiling lights to a more natural light, steam cleaning carpets, steam cleaning cubicle fabrics and repainting 3-4 floors walls. The cost is around $1 million. Way more expensive that I could have imagined.

So there is no need to get all mad because of the little things that Disney has changed. Just give them the benefit of the doubt. They know things are not once what they were. They have competition and are trying to get things back to the way of the past. Like many companies, I think they get used to the way it was and they don't need to change, but times they are-a changing. They just are a little more reactive than proactive.

I worked for the phone company. Ma-Bell as everyone called it. Better known as AT&T. They were so focused on landlines, and tell me how many of you have a landline now?? And if you do, it is probably cable telephone. AT&T was so thinking everyone was always going to need landlines, they never focused on mobile phones. They had many lay-offs because we lost so much business. They were reactive instead of being proactive and staying one step ahead of the game. This was a company that had been around 100 years.

Just give Disney time to see what areas they may have let slip and make it right, like they always do.
 

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