What's Still On and What's Now Off

disney4life2008

Well-Known Member
From the plan....


Again.....I feel for Disney trying to navigate this, but no thank you.

I do see them having some type of legal document for everyone. If Disney opened tomorrow, would i be there? And by signing the document I am agreeing that I know what I'm getting myself into. But that protects them from the guest, what about cms? They would have no choice?
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
Where are virtual queuers going to go? It’s summer, and it’s raining, you have no theatres, and no one wants to be outside. Setting up an epic viral video of people standing shoulder to shoulder in the Emporium that makes WDW look unsafe and irresponsible.
There won’t be many people in the parks to begin with, as I fully expect them to control attendance. Think of it as a reservation only type of environment.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Here’s what is much more realistic:

Late June or July opening of MK and DHS and DAK

No masks required.

Virtual Queues for everything.

No live entertainment of any kind except for a giant 4th of July fireworks spectacular because this is Florida and they’ll want to do that anyway.

Limited entry into the parks.

Hotels could reopen sooner.

They will sanitize surfaces as much as possible, but trying to do every ride vehicle after every guests... I don’t see that happening. Maybe they’ll run the ride with guests, then sanitize every vehicle, then do it again. Basically one load of guests, one load of clean ghosts. And that sanitization will be done via a fine mist application, similar to fumigating a home or an airplane.

Temperature checks at security, but none of that questioning of where you have been. That’s not something people will be comfortable doing.

I don’t expect Epcot to open this year.
I’m thinking they will demand guests use contact tracing apps as a condition of entry.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
I now have multiple corroborating sources that have informed me of some specific things.

1) There is a worst-case scenario plan for WDW that is either developed or under development which prioritizes maintenance for the remainder of 2020 if the parks and resort are unable to reopen. This would see certain areas of the resort under much less upkeep in order to limit costs. This might also see many of the roads closed at WDW to public access.
2) Disney is currently in talks with the NBA to resume the NBA season / postseason with the players finishing all games at the ESPN complex. Details are being negotiated, and could fall through, but players would likely stay at Caribbean Beach Resort with Cayman, Sea Breeze, and Victory Way closed except to NBA and Disney vehicles. The aim would be to restart the NBA in late May to early June. Again, this could fall through, but it is being worked on and I believe some details have already begun to leak.
3) DeSantis has been in communication recently with Disney, Universal, IAAPA, etc, and is keen on getting the parks up and running as soon as safely possible. This is a marked departure from the approach the California government is taking. While Disneyland may remain closed for a long time, there is actually optimism that WDW may be able to reopen during the summer with intense restrictions and limitations.
4) The "Secure Circuit" protocol is still the preferred plan for reopening. Secure Circuit does the following:
  • Magic Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no theaters, no parades, no castle shows, no fireworks and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Magic Kingdom resorts reopen with strict distancing guidelines in place.
  • Monorails would not operate.
  • Ferries and boat transportation would operate with distancing in place.
  • Health checks would be introduced at every security checkpoint. This would include temperature checks and Q&A (including locations you have traveled to in the past 14 days).
  • Guests will have to sign additional legal forms clearing Disney of liability for potential exposure to COVID-19.
  • EPCOT will remain closed if other parks are able to reopen prior to September.
  • Hollywood Studios reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no fireworks, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Animal Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no Rivers of Light, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit. Maharajah Jungle Trek would remain closed, and no close encounters with any animals at any place in the park will be permitted. Details about Animal Kingdom are still being developed.
  • Transportation guidelines are still being developed.
  • Dining guidelines are still being developed.
  • No character meet and greets.
  • No character dining.
  • Water parks will not reopen while Secure Circuit is in place.
  • DVC details are still being developed.
  • Sanitation stations will be available throughout the parks, as well as directions on the ground to keep guests moving in proper directions for limited pedestrian crossing.
  • It is likely, though not officially determined, that masks will be a requirement for adults.
  • Magic Bands mandatory for all guests, fingerprints temporarily on hold.
  • Non-MK resorts are unlikely to reopen until Phase 2 begins (Secure Circuit is for Phase 1).
  • Disney is currently evaluating every single ride and queue to determine how and if it can operate with strict distancing guidelines. This includes determining how to move people through the queue in a safe manner even if virtual queue is in place for that particular ride. For example, even just moving through the queue of Pirates exposes guests to whatever guests passed through the queue 20 seconds prior.
  • Chapek ultimately makes the call on when to reopen and how, once DeSantis gives the green light... so while the protocols for Secure Circuit have been developed, there may be changes from the top.
  • What's on and what's off for future construction is now largely on how much and when Disney receives US government money, as well as the realities of the economy on the other side of this situation. Expect Disney to NOT announce cancellations of projects in 2020, but also for some projects to simply sit with no announcement. Disney is likely to be very bearish in 2020 until we get Q4 economic data.
Best regards - hope everyone is safe.
And no pin trading presumably
 

disney4life2008

Well-Known Member
Where are virtual queuers going to go? It’s summer, and it’s raining, you have no theatres, and no one wants to be outside. Setting up an epic viral video of people standing shoulder to shoulder in the Emporium that makes WDW look unsafe and irresponsible.

Someone mentioned dirty places the other day. The emporium to me is one of the most filthy places in all of Disney. And don't let it rain it seems like wet dogs and people who took a shower in their local pool. Needless to say, I have witnessed people stealing from that place.
 

disney4life2008

Well-Known Member
Here’s what is much more realistic:

Late June or July opening of MK and DHS and DAK

No masks required.

Virtual Queues for everything.

No live entertainment of any kind except for a giant 4th of July fireworks spectacular because this is Florida and they’ll want to do that anyway.

Limited entry into the parks.

Hotels could reopen sooner.

They will sanitize surfaces as much as possible, but trying to do every ride vehicle after every guests... I don’t see that happening. Maybe they’ll run the ride with guests, then sanitize every vehicle, then do it again. Basically one load of guests, one load of clean ghosts. And that sanitization will be done via a fine mist application, similar to fumigating a home or an airplane.

Temperature checks at security, but none of that questioning of where you have been. That’s not something people will be comfortable doing.

I don’t expect Epcot to open this year.

How would the food court work? 9am in sports is like summer camp.
 

Getachew

Well-Known Member
The are tons of people who view Disney World as their paradise. The pricing is what I'm interested to see how they handle. I've got no info there.

Disney in full operation is their paradise. A less than half open Magic Kingdom with only some rides operational and QSR's open is hardly paradise, and they will undoubtedly have to charge a lot less. If this is true, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 

Getachew

Well-Known Member
Here’s what is much more realistic:

Late June or July opening of MK and DHS and DAK

No masks required.

Virtual Queues for everything.

No live entertainment of any kind except for a giant 4th of July fireworks spectacular because this is Florida and they’ll want to do that anyway.

Limited entry into the parks.

Hotels could reopen sooner.

They will sanitize surfaces as much as possible, but trying to do every ride vehicle after every guests... I don’t see that happening. Maybe they’ll run the ride with guests, then sanitize every vehicle, then do it again. Basically one load of guests, one load of clean ghosts. And that sanitization will be done via a fine mist application, similar to fumigating a home or an airplane.

Temperature checks at security, but none of that questioning of where you have been. That’s not something people will be comfortable doing.

I don’t expect Epcot to open this year.

Not really a lot different than what's supposedly being proposed. Though I disagree about Epcot not opening this year. If they open the parks in July or August, I see Epcot maybe at the most a month or maybe 2 later.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Just receiveD a survey from Universal about likelihood of visiting under various scenarios and protocols when they reopen. It was one of those more likely or less likely to visit if they do ‘X’.

Examples on that survey are temperature checks mandatory for entrance, 15 minute coronavirus testing mandatory for entrance for guest and team members. It also included things like encourage masks or making masks mandatory for guests and team members. It discussed stuff like turning off all self service vending like Freestyle machines and requiring you to go to a counter for refill. It asked about contactless payment, suspending bag scanning, etc. Pretty clear they are considering every option that has been discussed here for WDW. All of the questions were framed in a 5 option scale from less likely to visit to most likely to visit if they did each of these thing.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Disney in full operation is their paradise. A less than half open Magic Kingdom with only some rides operational and QSR's open is hardly paradise, and they will undoubtedly have to charge a lot less. If this is true, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Don't think they will charge less. Only when pigs fly. However Disney might offer a few incentives ( free parking, unlimited refills on soda, merchandise specials) .
 

Getachew

Well-Known Member
Don't think they will charge less. Only when pigs fly. However Disney might offer a few incentives ( free parking, unlimited refills on soda, merchandise specials) .

Not enough, IMO, for a barely half open MK. But maybe it's enough for the true die hards who need their Disney fix.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
There won’t be many people in the parks to begin with, as I fully expect them to control attendance. Think of it as a reservation only type of environment.

And there is going to be enough of them willing to pay the price Disney is asking to make it worthwhile for Disney?

I just don’t think these half measures are going to work, and yes I realize that means the parks stay closed longer (provided there isn’t another paradigm shift.)
 

toonaspie

Member
Here’s what is much more realistic:

Late June or July opening of MK and DHS and DAK

No masks required.

Virtual Queues for everything.

No live entertainment of any kind except for a giant 4th of July fireworks spectacular because this is Florida and they’ll want to do that anyway.

Limited entry into the parks.

Hotels could reopen sooner.

They will sanitize surfaces as much as possible, but trying to do every ride vehicle after every guests... I don’t see that happening. Maybe they’ll run the ride with guests, then sanitize every vehicle, then do it again. Basically one load of guests, one load of clean ghosts. And that sanitization will be done via a fine mist application, similar to fumigating a home or an airplane.

Temperature checks at security, but none of that questioning of where you have been. That’s not something people will be comfortable doing.

I don’t expect Epcot to open this year.


I would also add requiring ADRs for (some) Quick Service places possibly. They need to be able to easily keep track and control capacity in those restaurants too as well as cleanup.

In any case I also see them ending the waiving option for housekeeping permanently. The rooms are much harder to clean on the turn down and guests would feel more comfortable about their rooms being cleaned and sanitized daily.
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
And there is going to be enough of them willing to pay the price Disney is asking to make it worthwhile for Disney?

I just don’t think these half measures are going to work, and yes I realize that means the parks stay closed longer (provided there isn’t another paradigm shift.)
You’re right, these half measures don’t and won’t work. Not all of them anyway.
 

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