What will come to the Toy Story Lot?

[Haymarket]

What's likely the future use of the Toy Story Lot?

In its recent report to Anaheim, Disney included this noise-level study image relating to a theoretical use scenario (https://.com/2023/09/updated-disney...-third-theme-park-skyliner-shopping-and-more/):

 

[josh2000]

I want a third gate but retail, dining, entertainment, and hotels is more likely. I imagine they want to build a dedicated vacation club resort to go with the Disney Springs clone.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Cars, RVs, busses, other vehicles, and humans (hopefully no pets).

 

[TP2000]

I think it's terribly cute how Disney has to pretend they won't be buying out all those cheap, one or two story apartments from the 1960's that surround the Toy Story Lot. (Noted by the R3 zoning)

Those apartments are packed to the rafters with many honest working-class families, but also with quite a few unsavory folks who deal in drugs, sex trafficking, and various criminality. They are some of the most affordable apartments in central Orange County, but also apartment complexes rife with gang violence and drug trafficking according to the police.

Anaheim politicians want all those apartments gone, but they can't say anything publicly for fear of stirring up protests about losing "affordable housing". Disney has to play along with that charade, obviously. But if Disney ever does build a hotel/entertainment zone on that property, it's not going to just be the Toy Story Lot. They'll buy out the adjacent apartments and bulldoze them, with eminent domain help from the City of Anaheim if they have to.

But again, it's terribly cute of the WDI sketch artists here to pretend the apartments get to stay.

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This is actually the beautified publicity shot for one of these apartment complexes from the leasing site.

 

[DLR92]

I can’t see Disney buying those apartments complex being with a lot of money. And then to pour down more money to bulldoze those structures.

Using eminent domain for a theme park is not going to happen. Unless it for road improvements like freeway, Avenue upgrades, a government building like police, firehouse building, school, etc.. Something that benefit for everyone. A theme park isn’t a public good like school or police station.

 

[TP2000]

From the excellent Crimemapping site, I looked up this neighborhood directly on the other side of the wall from the Toy Story Parking Lot. In the past 28 days this collection of apartments has had 53 arrests (and just think of how many got away).

The 53 arrests since in the past 28 days runs the gamut of various crimes and societal collapse; Sex Trafficking, Methamphetamine Production, Drug Sales/Production, Violent Assault, Sexual Assault, Weapons Charges, Motor Vehicle Theft, Burglary, Physical Assault, Assault With A Deadly Weapon, and Counterfeiting. Plus, just for fun, some Graffiti/Vandalism. Again, consider all the stuff that wasn't caught by the police here, or wasn't even reported.

In the photo below, the bulk of the tightly packed apartments where all the crime shown above happened just over the Toy Story Lot walls has been helpfully outlined by me in Anaheim Police Department Blue. A few of the apartment complexes extend just out of the photo, or are located directly across Haster Street.

It's truly impressive how nice a WDI sketch artist can make a dangerous and crime-ridden neighborhood look when it's just over the wall from an immersive themed experience, can't it?

 

[Phroobar]

Where are the poor suppose to go? How is Disney helping to clean up their community? A giant wall or relocation doesn't help.

 

[Consumer]

Where are the poor suppose to go? How is Disney helping to clean up their community? A giant wall or relocation doesn't help.

 

[CaptinEO]

Where are the poor suppose to go? How is Disney helping to clean up their community? A giant wall or relocation doesn't help.

You should see the before and after of the Disneyland Resort Project from the late 90s.

 

[TP2000]

Where are the poor suppose to go? How is Disney helping to clean up their community? A giant wall or relocation doesn't help.

It's a valid question. The issue of rampant crime, drug production/sales, and sex trafficking aside... the 60+ year old apartment complexes on the other side of the Toy Story Lot walls do serve a need for affordable housing. I can easily imagine that there are many honest and hard-working families or young couples living in some of those apartments because that is all they can afford in OC.

On the flip side, almost all of those current apartment complexes were built very cheaply in the 1960's as entry-level apartments for young people and newly married couples. They weren't particularly nice even in 1965, and time has not been kind to them. The crime statistics at each of those complex addresses on Haster Street tell the story rather tragically.

But, what I do find to be comical in this otherwise tragic story is that the WDI artists and the Disney executives approving them for public consumption didn't even bother to try and spruce them up a bit in the artwork. They literally painted densely packed, bland apartment boxes without any landscaping or amenities, which is exactly what they are.

Uh, WDI and TDA... you guys don't want to try and spruce up this dreary reality a bit?

Maybe paint some silvery, moonlit clouds in there to hide this just a little?

 

[Phroobar]

It's a valid question. The issue of rampant crime, drug production/sales, and sex trafficking aside... the 60+ year old apartment complexes on the other side of the Toy Story Lot walls do serve a need for affordable housing. I can easily imagine that there are many honest and hard-working families or young couples living in some of those apartments because that is all they can afford in OC.

On the flip side, almost all of those current apartment complexes were built very cheaply in the 1960's as entry-level apartments for young people and newly married couples. They weren't particularly nice even in 1965, and time has not been kind to them. The crime statistics at each of those complex addresses on Haster Street tell the story rather tragically.

But, what I do find to be comical in this otherwise tragic story is that the WDI artists and the Disney executives approving them for public consumption didn't even bother to try and spruce them up a bit in the artwork. They literally painted densely packed, bland apartment boxes without any landscaping or amenities, which is exactly what they are.

Uh, WDI and TDA... you guys don't want to try and spruce up this dreary reality a bit?

Maybe paint some silvery, moonlit clouds in there to hide this just a little?

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That background just comes from satellite maps that they filtered to match the rest of the picture.

 

[Phroobar]

As for people, we are talking about people with very little education, little money and social problems. A lot of them are immigrants that have to put up with racist basis. Probably a lot of them work at Disneyland and have to live off substandard minimum wage. How dare we say get rid of them so we rich people can be safe while we dance around with a cartoon mouse and spin in oversize teacups?

 

[CaptinEO]

As for people, we are talking about people with very little education, little money and social problems. A lot of them are immigrants that have to put up with racist basis. Probably a lot of them work at Disneyland and have to live off substandard minimum wage. How dare we say get rid of them so we rich people can be safe while they dance around with a cartoon mouse and spin in oversize teacups?

Maybe the solution is to rent them out to Disney influencers at 3x the cost? Call it "The Villas At Disneyland Resort".

 

[truecoat]

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The US has an industrial prison complex like no other.

 

[Phroobar]

The US has an industrial prison complex like no other.

“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.
“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.
“Both very busy, sir.”
“Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

 

[TP2000]

As for people, we are talking about people with very little education, little money and social problems. A lot of them are immigrants that have to put up with racist basis. Probably a lot of them work at Disneyland and have to live off substandard minimum wage. How dare we say get rid of them so we rich people can be safe while we dance around with a cartoon mouse and spin in oversize teacups?

I don't disagree with any of that. As I said right from the start, there are likely a lot of honest, hard working families living in those apartments.

In a better version of our current world, there would be more comprehensive police presence and effectiveness to rid that neighborhood of the illegal drugs and sex trafficking (often run by street gangs) that are truly the core problem. If you eliminate that core problem, a lot of the other crimes also disappear from the Crimemapping.com map (counterfeiting, assault, larceny, graffiti, weapons charges, etc.)

That way, the honest folks living in those apartments would get a dramatic improvement in their safety and security.

But my real point is to remind us all that Anaheim truly has a crime problem; not just petty theft and drunk tourists behaving badly, but serious drug cartels and sex trafficking and all the danger and lowlifes that come with that.

Currently, the crime of west Anaheim is buffered from Disneyland by at least a block or two. In this case with this Toy Story Expansion, WDI is proposing to build Disneyland expansion that is separated from Anaheim's social ills by only a low brick wall. And what could go wrong with that?

 

[TP2000]

Maybe the solution is to rent them out to Disney influencers at 3x the cost? Call it "The Villas At Disneyland Resort".

Now that made me laugh out loud. A brilliantly funny idea!

What we need for this crime-riddled neighborhood is a catchy name. It's along Haster Street, but Haster isn't very fun to say or rhyme with. But it's also directly south of Katella Avenue.

So-Kat?

Then you could have The Disney Villas at So-Kat, A Multicultural Lifestyle Community.

 

[CaptinEO]

Now that made me laugh out loud. A brilliantly funny idea!

What we need for this crime-riddled neighborhood is a catchy name. It's along Haster Street, but Haster isn't very fun to say or rhyme with. But it's also directly south of Katella Avenue.

So-Kat?

Then you could have The Disney Villas at So-Kat, A Multicultural Lifestyle Community.

Thank you! That is a great idea, the naming convention too!

I think this must be how all gentrification works. Get a low income neighborhood and give things fancy names. Add a few boba shops and yoga studios and these apartments will be making record profits.

Low income people are displaced but the food influencers will be happy.

 

[TP2000]

Thank you! That is a great idea, the naming convention too!

I think this must be how all gentrification works. Get a low income neighborhood and give things fancy names. Add a few boba shops and yoga studios and these apartments will be making record profits.

Low income people are displaced but the food influencers will be happy.

As the brilliant artist Tracy Ullman so often does, she has already made a song and dance routine about that exact process.

Replace the British accents and vocabulary in this video for SoCal vocal fry accents and Disney's pukey word salads, and this can happen for So-Kat by the end of Disney's next fiscal year.

"Drop the beat!..."

 

[TP2000]

Anaheim crime doesn't just happen in the So-Kat neighborhood. This just happened in the Resort District earlier today....

Man suspected of sexual assault was shot dead by police at a gas station a few blocks west of Haster Street on Harbor Blvd.

It's a World Class Resort District, don't forget.

Anaheim police shoot, kill suspect in convenience store parking lot

The shooting happened around 1:15 p.m. at Orangewood Avenue and Harbor Boulevard. Police said a large knife was recovered at the scene.

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Anaheim police fatally shot a man near an ARCO gas station and ampm convenience store in Anaheim on Tuesday, though the circumstances leading up to the shooting remain unclear.

Around 1 p.m., officers in the area along the 300 block of Orangewood Avenue attempted to arrest a sexual assault suspect, said Anaheim Police Sgt. Jon McClintock. The suspect fled west on Orangewood toward Harbor Boulevard while being pursued by authorities.