What ever happened to the Grand Venezia Resort?

napnet

Active Member
I know it was one of the original hotels on the plan to be built with the park... i have seen plan maps with it in its place as late as 1981 but i dont know why it wasn't built. I have heard that it wasnt built because the soil samples had issues with it potentially sinking and also heard because the cost... but not sure the 'official' reason
 

captainbuzzy

Active Member
I think the reason was that the ground was unstable ($$$) and other things got prioritized.

I'd love to see this resort built though. Disney has enough waterways to make it doable. I'm convinced Disney's would be the best because it would come without the harsh reality that the real Venice uses the water as part of their sewer system (yuck!). The other Venice resort in Vegas is pretty cool but the tidy bowl water throws me off a little.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Yep - the original hotel for this spot was the Venitian, to be open in phase one by the end of 1976. In 1973 the oil crisis hit and stopped work on the Asian (where the GF is today) - apparently within a sod being cut. This had a knock on effect that stopped the Asian, Venitian and Persian. In the meantime, plans pushed ahead to expand Fort Wilderness and Lake Buena Vista, and then it was all hands on deck for EPCOT Center.

The next thing you know, Eisner and Wells are in, Walker and Miller are out having seen EPCOT Centers budget double - which put them off expansion of anything. Eisner realises WDW is underdeveloped, hotels are springing up outside the property, and has a plan drawn up. The Ray Watson plans of 1983-4 are adjusted, and the first fruit of this change is the GF. Going for the big bucks.

Next up is the first moderate - the CBR. Due to a complex legal issue involving Tishman Realties, Marriott and Arvida Corp. the Swan, Dolphin, Yacht and Beach Clubs are next. By now the Venitian site is looking very appealing, the GF is doing very well, so Eisner wants and even better resort. The Venitian plan is scrapped in favour of the Meditteranean Resort. Land is cleared in 1990 but surveys are alarming - test sinkings of foundation piles literally sink out of site. Further tests reveal the ground would need foundations deeper than Spaceship Earth and the American Adventure combined to support anything at all. Probably the most prime piece of resort real estate in all of WDW is destined to remain scrubland for a while yet.
 

BRER STITCH

Well-Known Member
Ah yes....the story of the old Venetian.....

A lot of people do not know it, but the Hotel was actually built on that very site. The great floods of '39 tragically washed it away to the spot it sits right now...the bottom of Bay Lake.

In 2010 James Cameron is expected to lead a film crew and a team of divers down to it's murky depth in an attempt to raise it back to the surface and recover all of it's treasures.

Some of the old timers still swear that on a still night, you can hear the faint heartbeats of those who had advanced reservations to stay there, coming from just below the water's surface. Occasionally, during a particularly foggy Florida midnight, the ghost-like outline of a pirate ship can be seen circling the very spot that the resort went down. And monkey cries in the distance....

The Venetian's legacy shall always be the wonderful blinds that were invented there....

Still others will tell you that it never happened at all....


:lookaroun
 

shoppingnut

Active Member
BRER STITCH said:
Ah yes....the story of the old Venetian.....

A lot of people do not know it, but the Hotel was actually built on that very site. The great floods of '39 tragically washed it away to the spot it sits right now...the bottom of Bay Lake.

In 2010 James Cameron is expected to lead a film crew and a team of divers down to it's murky depth in an attempt to raise it back to the surface and recover all of it's treasures.

Some of the old timers still swear that on a still night, you can hear the faint heartbeats of those who had advanced reservations to stay there, coming from just below the water's surface. Occasionally, during a particularly foggy Florida midnight, the ghost-like outline of a pirate ship can be seen circling the very spot that the resort went down. And monkey cries in the distance....

The Venetian's legacy shall always be the wonderful blinds that were invented there....

Still others will tell you that it never happened at all....


:lookaroun

:lol: :lol: :lol: What a great haunted WDW story!
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
EchoOfOphelia said:
Wow, I have never heard of this hotel.. Ya learn something new everyday :)

Yeah the entire Magic Kingdom resort area was going to be completely different. There was an arabian and an asian resort planned as well.
 

vonpluto

Well-Known Member
BRER STITCH said:
Ah yes....the story of the old Venetian.....

A lot of people do not know it, but the Hotel was actually built on that very site. The great floods of '39 tragically washed it away to the spot it sits right now...the bottom of Bay Lake.

In 2010 James Cameron is expected to lead a film crew and a team of divers down to it's murky depth in an attempt to raise it back to the surface and recover all of it's treasures.

Some of the old timers still swear that on a still night, you can hear the faint heartbeats of those who had advanced reservations to stay there, coming from just below the water's surface. Occasionally, during a particularly foggy Florida midnight, the ghost-like outline of a pirate ship can be seen circling the very spot that the resort went down. And monkey cries in the distance....

The Venetian's legacy shall always be the wonderful blinds that were invented there....

Still others will tell you that it never happened at all....


:lookaroun


Shhh!!!, Hush!!! We've been staying free at WDW for years and you're going to blow it!!

Just got new scuba gear too!!!

Frank
 

justducky78

New Member
That would have been a cool hotel. Who knows, maybe it will happen someday. I don't like the name, though - Grand Venezia?! :hurl:
 

PhilharMagician

Well-Known Member
BRER STITCH said:
Ah yes....the story of the old Venetian.....

A lot of people do not know it, but the Hotel was actually built on that very site. The great floods of '39 tragically washed it away to the spot it sits right now...the bottom of Bay Lake.

In 2010 James Cameron is expected to lead a film crew and a team of divers down to it's murky depth in an attempt to raise it back to the surface and recover all of it's treasures.

Some of the old timers still swear that on a still night, you can hear the faint heartbeats of those who had advanced reservations to stay there, coming from just below the water's surface. Occasionally, during a particularly foggy Florida midnight, the ghost-like outline of a pirate ship can be seen circling the very spot that the resort went down. And monkey cries in the distance....

The Venetian's legacy shall always be the wonderful blinds that were invented there....

Still others will tell you that it never happened at all....


:lookaroun

ROTFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

vonpluto

Well-Known Member
marni1971 said:
The Venitian plan is scrapped in favour of the Meditteranean Resort. Land is cleared in 1990 but surveys are alarming - test sinkings of foundation piles literally sink out of site. Further tests reveal the ground would need foundations deeper than Spaceship Earth and the American Adventure combined to support anything at all. Probably the most prime piece of resort real estate in all of WDW is destined to remain scrubland for a while yet.

Martin,

First of all, thanx for the first explanation of why the Venetian/Mediteranean was not built that has some meat to it. Usually the response to that question is along the lines of, "It woulda' sunk, get over it!".

That being said, it still does not make complete sense to me. After all, Seven Seas Lagoon is man-made(man-assisted?). Two resorts(the GF sits on a man-made ula), the TTC, Monorail Loops, the Wedding Chapel and a Theme Park sit on its shores. I've never heard of any settlement problems with any of these. Yet, apparently, only this one spot cannot provide sufficent load-bearing.

I'm a builder in a coastal community, and familar with pilings. (not an expert!). From your explanation, test-piles were being driven to bearing, and not to refusal (where friction takes over). After all. the original Venice is built on a swamp.

Anyhow, just curious.

Frank
 

maelstrom

Well-Known Member
Ah, the Venetian, Persian, & Asian resorts, one of my favourite Disney topics. Out of the three, the only one with any hope of being built in its original location is the Venetian. I think the Asian and Persian are pretty much dead (much to my dismay; I fell in love with the Asian the moment I heard about it), but the Venetian pops up from time to time. Who knows, maybe it'll be the newest DVC property someday. I'd love to see it built. Disney can do so much better than the newer cookie-cutter resorts.
 

DigitalDisney

New Member
Wasn't that spot also rumored to house a greek hotel as well?

On a related note, don't forget about the rumored Kingdom Suites hotel that was supposed to go near where the MK's massive bus terminal is now.
 

maelstrom

Well-Known Member
DigitalDisney said:
On a related note, don't forget about the rumored Kingdom Suites hotel that was supposed to go near where the MK's massive bus terminal is now.

Would've completely ruined the Contemporary's view of the Magic Kingdom. :fork:

But would have been good in another location. :king:

I always imagined this with a Fantasia theme and kind of looking like the Swalphin. Pink & teal with giant pegasus (pegasi?) and centaurs. And having the monorail run through it (think of how it runs thru the Grand Californian) with a rainbow over the beam. No idea if there's any actual plans out there for it or anything, this is just my imagination.
 

disneybeavs

New Member
BRER STITCH said:
Ah yes....the story of the old Venetian.....

A lot of people do not know it, but the Hotel was actually built on that very site. The great floods of '39 tragically washed it away to the spot it sits right now...the bottom of Bay Lake.

In 2010 James Cameron is expected to lead a film crew and a team of divers down to it's murky depth in an attempt to raise it back to the surface and recover all of it's treasures.

Some of the old timers still swear that on a still night, you can hear the faint heartbeats of those who had advanced reservations to stay there, coming from just below the water's surface. Occasionally, during a particularly foggy Florida midnight, the ghost-like outline of a pirate ship can be seen circling the very spot that the resort went down. And monkey cries in the distance....

The Venetian's legacy shall always be the wonderful blinds that were invented there....

Still others will tell you that it never happened at all....


:lookaroun


That just gave me a great idea! How cool would it be if Disney made an underwater resort? Each room would have a balcony to observe the underwater life swimming around. The only problem facing this resort is being people like the sun too much to be without when they are in their rooms:brick:
Anyways, potential resort theme, you imaginears out there take note:)
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
maelstrom said:
http://www.mickeynews.com/Columns/DisplayColumn.asp_Q_id_E_522
Thought this might be of interest to some of you. An article on the proposed resorts at WDW, including the Asian, Venetian, Persian, Kingdom Suites, and Buffalo/Wilderness Junction.

A very good, truthful article. One resort that intrigues me is Cyprus Point, where Wilderness Lodge is today. From what I saw it looks rather futuristic - almost a low rise Contemporary neighbor. In a way I`m glad it didn`t happen.

Von Pluto - the Med land was indeed man made. As I mentioned, of all the Disney Resort sites this one would be the most lucrative. The company must be rather upset over it. I wouldn`t exactly say sinkhole, but the Med was given an official opening date but the site just wouldn`t take the foundations.
 

maelstrom

Well-Known Member
marni1971 said:
I wouldn`t exactly say sinkhole, but the Med was given an official opening date but the site just wouldn`t take the foundations.

You would think with the engineering we have today, they could somehow make that site buildable.
 

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