What do you have to do to get a fastpass?

[LAKid53]

Oh, they're requiring proof now?

Illegal under the Americans With Disabilities Act. They can, however, ask questions to determine how to accommodate your disability. But CMs cannot ask for proof or what your disability is.

 

[LAKid53]

It is by definition a Fastpass. You get a return time, like a Fastpass, and can do whatever you'd like until your return time, without having to wait in line like everyone else. You then use the Fastpass line to ride the attraction.

This is what a DAS is....not a FP.

Disney Parks Disability Access Service Card Fact Sheet

Disney Parks have an unwavering commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment and accessible experiences for guests. Disney Parks is modifying the current Guest Assistance Card program, which provides access to attractions for

disneyparks.disney.go.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All you have to do is claim you have a disability to make it difficult to stand in the regular line.

now...go stand in the corner and think about why you made a “bad choice” to say that?

 

[LAKid53]

They claim someone in their family needs a DAS.

The individual who has determined they are unable to wait in line for a ride makes the request for a DAS (I find your use of "claim" offensive, BTW).

 

[Think Tink]

Your posts make you sound jealous of those with disabilities.
Trust me you should be so lucky to wait in the regular line vs being disabled.
Have respect.

Yes! I have more of an invisible disability and JUST used the DAS for the first time in March due to it flaring up. I’m sure people see me and think I’m “claiming” but come to the multiple appointments I have if you want proof. I’d be more than happy to bring a doctors note if ever needed. I probably won’t use it again unless it flares up again, but it really helped me out when I needed it. People love to try and judge why other use DAS or handicap spots when it doesn’t affect them.

 

[DryerLintFan]

All you have to do is claim you have a disability to make it difficult to stand in the regular line.

LOL if you want to morally bankrupt yourself pretending to have a disability so you can eat a dole whip while waiting for your ride time, go ahead.

Most humans live more ethically and with some semblance of honor.

 

[CastAStone]

The reason DAS exists is because GAC was getting abused to the point that, according to a legal filing by Disney, “3% of guests...used 30% of a popular ride’s capacity”. By adding the waiting period,the expectation was that, while some people still might abuse it, at least they can’t just ride it 100 times in a row. All of this is documented in Disney’s filings in the case A.L. Vs Walt Disney Parks

So we can both acknowledge that DAS is good, should exist, and people who need it should absolutely use it, and also acknowledge that there are some jerks who lie and abuse it. No one is accusing any WDWMagic member of anything.

 

[DryerLintFan]

The reason DAS exists is because GAC was getting abused to the point that, according to a legal filing by Disney, “3% of guests...used 30% of a popular ride’s capacity”. By adding the waiting period,the expectation was that, while some people still might abuse it, at least they can’t just ride it 100 times in a row. All of this is documented in Disney’s filings in the case A.L. Vs Walt Disney Parks

So we can both acknowledge that DAS is good, should exist, and people who need it should absolutely use it, and also acknowledge that there are some jerks who lie and abuse it. No one is accusing any WDWMagic member of anything.

There's no way to have a system in place that doesn't rely on the honor system. If some people want to abuse that, it's their perogative. They have to justify that to themselves.

It's just like everything else in life, imo. You can lie on your resume to get ahead, etc.

The point is absolutely valid that after you get a return time it's basically like a fastpass. I just think most people wouldn't take the hit to their integrity for such a small prize.

 

[nickys]

There's no way to have a system in place that doesn't rely on the honor system. If some people want to abuse that, it's their perogative. They have to justify that to themselves.

It's just like everything else in life, imo. You can lie on your resume to get ahead, etc.

The point is absolutely valid that after you get a return time it's basically like a fastpass. I just think most people wouldn't take the hit to their integrity for such a small prize.

I would also hope that those who do lie will be gutted to find out they can’t just walk on, and maybe will then think it isn’t worth their while using it.

It isn’t designed to be an advantage, and it really isn’t one.

 

[DryerLintFan]

I would also hope that those who do lie will be gutted to find out they can’t just walk on, and maybe will then think it isn’t worth their while using it.

It isn’t designed to be an advantage, and it really isn’t one.

If wait times are: SDD 1 hour, TSMM and A*S both at 30 minutes, that's a two hour wait. If you DAS SDD and ride the other two while you're waiting for your return time, you've effectively saved yourself an hour.

With posted wait times being consistently inflated though, wait times for DAS are often way longer than actual wait times for those in the stand by line. The Splash Mountain queue is one of the hardest queues for me, but it's my daughter's favorite ride. Posted wait time is often around 45 minutes when we go, when the actual wait time is only 15 or 20 minutes. So it takes us way longer to get through the ride then if we just did standby. And we have to go on it at least three times

So I don't know. It can both be an advantage and a hurdle. But either way, it's the moral obligation of people applying for DAS to have valid reasons to do so. That's on them.

 

[LAKid53]

If wait times are: SDD 1 hour, TSMM and A*S both at 30 minutes, that's a two hour wait. If you DAS SDD and ride the other two while you're waiting for your return time, you've effectively saved yourself an hour.

With posted wait times being consistently inflated though, wait times for DAS are often way longer than actual wait times for those in the stand by line. The Splash Mountain queue is one of the hardest queues for me, but it's my daughter's favorite ride. Posted wait time is often around 45 minutes when we go, when the actual wait time is only 15 or 20 minutes. So it takes us way longer to get through the ride then if we just did standby. And we have to go on it at least three times

So I don't know. It can both be an advantage and a hurdle. But either way, it's the moral obligation of people applying for DAS to have valid reasons to do so. That's on them.

Both of my son-in-law's parents have mobility issues that prevent them from standing for long periods of time or walking great distances - back injury (and poor job fusing vertebrae) and knees that will have to be replaced. Last time they joined us at WDW, they rented a scooter they shared (not at the same time). But if they join us again, I'll make sure they get a DAS.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Both of my son-in-law's parents have mobility issues that prevent them from standing for long periods of time or walking great distances - back injury (and poor job fusing vertebrae) and knees that will have to be replaced. Last time they joined us at WDW, they rented a scooter they shared (not at the same time). But if they join us again, I'll make sure they get a DAS.

A lot of mobility issues are denied with DAS. If the problem access can be solved with a scooter or a walker that has a seat, they won't give that guest DAS

 

[LAKid53]

A lot of mobility issues are denied with DAS. If your problem access can be solved with a scooter or a walker that has a seat, they won't give that guest DAS

Good to know.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Good to know.

There's a lot of typos and wonkiness in there, sorry

 

[LAKid53]

There's a lot of typos and wonkiness in there, sorry

I got the gist.

 

[Think Tink]

Not true

I do know someone who was denied due to mobility issues. They stated that their lines were ADA compliant and they could use a scooter. I’m guessing it depends on the person at Guest services?

 

[Think Tink]

Also, they cannot require someone to use a scooter (for a fee) as a reasonable accomodation.

I’m not disagreeing with you, just saying what I have been told by someone who was denied for mobility.

 

[nickys]

Not true

It will depend on what kind of accommodation someone requires to access the rides. That is key. You need to explain why you cannot wait in line. If a wheelchair would solve the problem, such as not being able to stand for a long time, that’s what they will suggest.

DAS is designed mainly for those with cognitive disabilities, those for whom it would be dangerous to be standing in a long line or where a mobility device will not solve the problem. Things like type 1 diabetes where a hypo could happen and they may need to get to somewhere to sit down, or a condition where they might need to get to a restroom at very short notice. As for the last category, those for whom a mobility device will not help, it will depend on what the individual needs. Disney won’t give a list of conditions because everyone is different.

So it is entirely based on the individual, or their spokesperson, explaining to a CM why they cannot wait in a long line.

 

[nickys]

I am surprised that they are not accused more often of an ADA violation then. I know this weeds out a lot of the liars, but will also give some people who genuinely are protected under the ADA a legitimate case. The ADA says a person with a disability is afforded reasonable accomodations and Disney's CMs are NOT trained adequately to determine that IMHO. I bet if the person pushes for a supervisor that the sups are trained to adhere to the guest's request rather than risked being accused of an ADA violation. Most people who do not truly need it will not take the effort to fight for it. I didn't want any issues and brought my paperwork just in case and I will not be forced to rent an ECV when that is not a reasonable accomodation for my issue even though mine is mobility-related. At my job, my reasonable accomodation that I agreed upon with them is the use of the elevator instead of using the stairs. My accomodation request with Disney regarding DAS was not to use stairs, but they are not set up to individualize, but rather have the all-or-nothing approach I guess.

Seeing as I’m not from the US I’ll opt out of any discussion around the ADA. Although I would think Disney are well aware of it and know what reasonable accomodations they need to offer.

However I literally just posted that it is down to the needs of the individual.

 

[Fantasmik]

A large percentage of people in the alternative access/FastPass lines at the moment are rider swap and guest recovery single passes. They and DAS use the same line for the time being.