Well, I boldly went…

MrPromey

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Re: Just saw "Nemesis"

Originally posted by Camelot
it is supposed to be the "last voyage" for the NG cast. I don't think so though, but if it is, I hope they move onto the DS9 and the Voyager cast...Why not, huh ?

Live Long and Prosper, ya'll :)

Well, the tagline is sort of elusive “a generation’s final journey begins” which is about as ambiguous as the messages you find in a fortune cookie. Apparently, Paramount is sort of threatening for it to be the last movie (at least for a good long time) if it doesn’t get a lot of box office attention.

I would guess this is a result of the dismal box office figures that Insurrection did that resulted in them deviating from the every two year plan and retiring the movies for four years. Apparently, they didn’t realize that fans aren’t complete and total morons. Sure, they may be able to get us all to go out at least once to see just about anything but how can they expect good returns on a bad movie?.. :rolleyes:

It just totally baffles me how a series with as strong of a following as Star Trek has – a series that is flooded with scripts and ideas from so many fans could be mangled so poorly by their own writers and directors. They don’t seem to get that Trekkies aren’t tired of the series – they are tired of less than stellar movies.. In the NG series, it was ok for there to be a few stinkers thrown in there but with a movie that has a running length approximately equivalent to two episodes back to back coming out only once every two years or more – they apparently don’t understand the importance of not having room for error.

A lot of people were ed when it went off the air (I know because I went to the first showing of Generations the day it came out and the theater was full and a woman stood up and said “who else is as ed as I am that they took it off the air? And everyone started cheering. :D ). There were episodes of the series that I liked more than this movie but this definitely my favorite of the NG movies. I think that as long as they can make good movies, they won’t have a problem getting fans to support them.

That’s my 2 cents + on the subject. ;)
 

MrPromey

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Reviews on the movie seem to be pretty mixed but I think Star Trek movies are sort of a hard thing for people who aren’t fans of the series to appreciate.
I think that this is one of the few things it has in common with Star Wars. If I was a big fan of that series, I’d probably be a lot more forgiving of it than I am.

I think all reviews like these (good, bad, and in between) on these movies by your typical film critic are for the everyday people who might be deciding between this or another new release as the scan the local paper for movie times.
 

pheneix

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Nemesis made $7.5 million on Friday, putting it at #1 on the charts. However, this has to be a very dissapointing number for Paramount as it will track very closely to Insurrection's opening weekend. With The Two Towers opening up next week, I'm afraid that Nemesis may be buried very quickly. :(

http://www.the-numbers.com/
 

tmp

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I saw it and thought it was good. Even though it was my first experience with Star Trek the story line was still interesting and I was able to follow it easily. The theater was not even a third filled which was dissapointing. My favorite thing about a movie is going to see it on open day to see the audience reaction. Problem was there was no audience
 

GaryT977

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Originally posted by pheneix
Nemesis made $7.5 million on Friday, putting it at #1 on the charts. However, this has to be a very dissapointing number for Paramount as it will track very closely to Insurrection's opening weekend. With The Two Towers opening up next week, I'm afraid that Nemesis may be buried very quickly. :(

Not quickly enough. I'm a die-hard Trek fan, and I just got back from seeing it. Actually, I watched a couple of episodes from the TNG Season 6 DVD set before I went.

If this was the last movie with the TNG cast, that's fine. This one sucked. :mad:
 

MrPromey

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Originally posted by GaryT977
Not quickly enough. I'm a die-hard Trek fan, and I just got back from seeing it. Actually, I watched a couple of episodes from the TNG Season 6 DVD set before I went.

If this was the last movie with the TNG cast, that's fine. This one sucked. :mad:

So you think Insurrection was better? :confused:
 

GaryT977

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Originally posted by MrPromey
So you think Insurrection was better? :confused:

Insurrection would have made a decent episode. Nemesis falls in the Star Trek V category. The more I think about that movie the madder I get.

If this was going to be the last movie, why not have Q like they did for the first and last episodes?

If Janeway is in it, where's the technology she brought from the future? Why is she an Admiral and Picard still a captain?

Why does Shinzon want to destory earth? It was the Romulans who created and abandoned him. And the Romulan military would never accept a human Praetor.


I could go on. This looked like a movie written by a 12 year old fan. :mad:
 

MrPromey

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Originally posted by GaryT977
Insurrection would have made a decent episode. Nemesis falls in the Star Trek V category. The more I think about that movie the madder I get.

If this was going to be the last movie, why not have Q like they did for the first and last episodes?

If Janeway is in it, where's the technology she brought from the future? Why is she an Admiral and Picard still a captain?

Why does Shinzon want to destory earth? It was the Romulans who created and abandoned him. And the Romulan military would never accept a human Praetor.


I could go on. This looked like a movie written by a 12 year old fan. :mad:

As for the last movie thing. They’ve already sort of said that it is more or less dependent on how it does. There has also been an indication that they will not dump Star Trek in movies all together but simply end this series that features the Next Generation cast. I agree that a movie with Q would be cool though. I’ve sort of wondered for a while why they haven’t done anything with that yet..

I could be missing or forgetting something about the whole Janeway thing because I didn’t follow that series very well but I did see the last episode and the Janeway from the future got left behind (sort of)… I remember them making changes to the ship but I can’t recall what it was they did. Maybe you could refresh my memory on that one. I don’t recall it being anything major but I could very well be totally wrong.

As for Shinzon, there is an interesting (a somewhat relative statement) interview with the actor about the character at this site: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/379/379694p1.html

It explains the character’s motivation a bit. He is human but he knows little of humanity. They clearly show that he has a fascination with humans because there is a sort of natural connection but at the same time, he obviously doesn’t feel human. In a lot of ways, he is a very weak villain because he believes that he has no real responsibility for his actions nor any great measure of control over them.

There were problems with this movie but I don’t think they were any more serious than the rest of the movies… Or the series for that matter: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=6V9BACMGPC&isbn=0440505712

Personally, I liked this move the most out of the Next Generation series because I think it is the only one that really affected much in the way of change in the plot of Star Trek overall. I mean, part of the problem with the other movies IMHO is that they could have passed for 2 part episodes. The only real lasting changes from any of them were in what happened to the ship which may mean something to some people but doesn’t amount to much for me.

In this one, something happened to change their relationship with one of the only historical enemies left in the series and we saw a serious change set in motion for the crew. As long as this doesn’t end up being the last movie, I think it is possibly the best if for no other reason than that it is the first one that seems to take real advantage being in theaters and being able to make lasting changes that easily progress beyond this single “episode”.

Guess it just comes down to a difference of opinion. :)
 

GaryT977

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Originally posted by MrPromey
I could be missing or forgetting something about the whole Janeway thing because I didn’t follow that series very well but I did see the last episode and the Janeway from the future got left behind (sort of)… I remember them making changes to the ship but I can’t recall what it was they did. Maybe you could refresh my memory on that one. I don’t recall it being anything major but I could very well be totally wrong.

She brought back metaphasic torpedoes and external ship armor. Pretty major stuff, actually.

We're just going to have to disagree on this one. I can't really think of anything good abput this movie. And the decision to kill of one of the major characters was handled VERY poorly, IMHO.
 

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