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alisonwonderlnd

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Original Poster
with all the disney sites,,,books,,,,etc that come up with all the wonderful and valuable info o saving time,,,money at the parks
do you think that it also changes things?
what i mean is the little schedule ideas,,,etc
suggesting hitting a certain ride first,,,catching show A ,,,fastpass for ride B
if everyone reads these,,,,i wonder if that then throws off the time saving value?
or am i i once again cuckoo bananas and overthinking things?:veryconfu
 

mickeysshoes

Well-Known Member
No disrespect but I think you are over thinking it. You will never see everyone go the same place at once. Everyone thinks different so that leads to seeing the parks in different order. You have to take the crowds for what they are and make the best of it. Cant let it rule the way you tour. :wave:
 

GeoDonJac34

Well-Known Member
We have visited Disney every Oct. for nine years, and seems to me like it is getting more crowded in Oct. than it used to be. I said to DW after our last trip that I wonder if all the talk on the forums and in the books out there, about how good it is that month, that more people are going then. We are contemplating a change because of this.
 

alisonwonderlnd

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Original Poster
No disrespect but I think you are over thinking it. You will never see everyone go the same place at once. Everyone thinks different so that leads to seeing the parks in different order. You have to take the crowds for what they are and make the best of it. Cant let it rule the way you tour. :wave:

i overthink EVERYTHING...;lol
we have been to wdw ONCE
we went for 2 days
I had 5 different schedules for each day...rain....sun...being tired,,,being energized,,and i forgot the last one
DH looked at me like i was INSANE:o
 

alisonwonderlnd

New Member
Original Poster
We have visited Disney every Oct. for nine years, and seems to me like it is getting more crowded in Oct. than it used to be. I said to DW after our last trip that I wonder if all the talk on the forums and in the books out there, about how good it is that month, that more people are going then. We are contemplating a change because of this.

i thought something like this would eventually happen
sighhhhhh
 

mickeysshoes

Well-Known Member
i overthink EVERYTHING...;lol
we have been to wdw ONCE
we went for 2 days
I had 5 different schedules for each day...rain....sun...being tired,,,being energized,,and i forgot the last one
DH looked at me like i was INSANE:o

I plan but not like you!! :lol: We have a general plan on what park which day and ADR's in line with each park for lunch and we plan the evening also by our ADR's. and that is the limit to my planning. Once in the parks we wing it and deal with what we see and make choices as we need to.
 

alisonwonderlnd

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Original Poster
I plan but not like you!! :lol: We have a general plan on what park which day and ADR's in line with each park for lunch and we plan the evening also by our ADR's. and that is the limit to my planning. Once in the parks we wing it and deal with what we see and make choices as we need to.

as crazy s he thought i was..afterwards he THANKED me
we got to see a buttload of stuff just by planning
My mom and step dad who also went with us,,,but wanted to go their own way....did get to do a fraction of what we did and were tired and crabby
so HA!!!,,,lol
i plan almost everthing like that
friends often suggest i either take valium OR plan things like this as a living
:eek:
 
with all the disney sites,,,books,,,,etc that come up with all the wonderful and valuable info o saving time,,,money at the parks
do you think that it also changes things?
what i mean is the little schedule ideas,,,etc
suggesting hitting a certain ride first,,,catching show A ,,,fastpass for ride B
if everyone reads these,,,,i wonder if that then throws off the time saving value?
or am i i once again cuckoo bananas and overthinking things?:veryconfu

Makes perfect sense. Once the shortcut becomes common knowledge it ceases to hold the same value.
 

bamillerpa

Active Member
I don't think it's just the info that's out there. I think it's the fact that it's cheaper during the times where it traditionally was slower so more people are going then because it makes more sense financially. Disney has also added more events during the "off" season which makes it a more appealing time to go. I think as far as the schedules go, I've found that the majority of people I've run into are not as obsessed with Disney as the people on this site and most don't even bother reading up on it, let alone planning.
 

alisonwonderlnd

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Original Poster
I don't think it's just the info that's out there. I think it's the fact that it's cheaper during the times where it traditionally was slower so more people are going then because it makes more sense financially. Disney has also added more events during the "off" season which makes it a more appealing time to go. I think as far as the schedules go, I've found that the majority of people I've run into are not as obsessed with Disney as the people on this site and most don't even bother reading up on it, let alone planning.

you bring up a very good point
 

dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
It's human nature. Restaurants offer cheaper lunch meals, early bird specials, two for ones mid week, etc. They do attract crowds, but people still do most of their dining out on the weekends at prime dining time. Most people can't/don't/won't adjust their schedule to take advantage of everything they could. At WDW, even something as simply as get to the parks early, or do rides during lunch/parades, or take advantage of those 12-3AM EMHs, people can't/don't/won't. Now somethings do have to get changed over time. So some aspects of a touring plan that is a few years old may not apply any more. But on the whole, most people can't think that way. Taking a trip with little Johnny or Suzy won't be by the book. Most parents will stop and take Johnny to see Mater now, even though the plan doesn't say to do it til later. So things like that immediately change up the plan enough to keep everyone on the plan from being in exact sync with each other.
And lets not forget, the amount of people on the boards that use a given plan are minimal. Well, an even smaller percentage exists overall at WDW. Look at how many people still report that their friends went to Disney with no planning So between TouringPlans, TourGuideMike, and whomever else is offering plans at this point, odds are the amount of people following any given plan are minuscule.
 

Timekeeper

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Makes perfect sense. Once the shortcut becomes common knowledge it ceases to hold the same value.

It always amazes me how quickly all FastPasses are distributed for the Soarin' and Toy Story rides. How is it that so many guests "know" the demand and popularity of these attractions. It's as if they all have some level of working knowledge of the parks and which attractions are new/popular for which to secure FastPasses. If I flew to the UK to visit a theme park, let's call it "Williamsberg," I wouldn't know which attractions to secure FastPasses for unless I had previously done some homework.
 

pumpkin7

Well-Known Member
we go when we want to go, with no plan. we work out how we want to do things judging mainly by the waiting times board. it's fun to live on the wild side ha.

saying that, until i have children, i will avoid the main holidays like the plague.
 
It always amazes me how quickly all FastPasses are distributed for the Soarin' and Toy Story rides. How is it that so many guests "know" the demand and popularity of these attractions. It's as if they all have some level of working knowledge of the parks and which attractions are new/popular for which to secure FastPasses. If I flew to the UK to visit a theme park, let's call it "Williamsberg," I wouldn't know which attractions to secure FastPasses for unless I had previously done some homework.


From what I've observed in the parks, I don't think the average theme park guest is all that educated. In terms of TSMM, Soarin', etc. Don't forget these top rides are advertised in a non-stop loop on resort TVs, so people have those on their minds. Also, if you go to DHS one day, and find that FP are gone by noon for TSMM, you know that on your next morning at DHS you have to make that a priority. Keep in mind too that the people who are at RD are just a fraction of the theme park guests on any given day and they tend to be the more educated/commando types. People who are on a leisurely vacation and haven't done research don't know the benefits of getting there at RD (I know how great RD is supposed to be and I still never make it). Also, I think some people might ask around for tips, and what they might hear is how long the line was for TSMM, etc.

In terms of shortcuts, tips and touring plans, I still believe so few people use them that it really doesn't make an appreciable difference. According to the Unofficial Guide only 2% of guests are using their plans on any given day, so that isn't going to impact crowds much. Also, much of it is common sense. Before I knew anything about DIsney, I knew Space Mountain was a hot ride, so I probably would have run there first thing in the morning anyway. I didn't use a Touring plan for DHS, but I ran right to RnRR and ToT.

I think in general though, people are not very educated, so you can still get around bottlenecks if you are. For example, how many times have you seen a long line of people just headed right for SSE as they enter EPCOT? If they had read books, they'd know SSE is a continuous loader and will ONLY have lines when people are streaming in and heading right to it. In the morning you need to head to an E-ticket ride to get on and/or get a FP before the hoardes get in.

If you stay on property, and you don't do RD, observe how many people are still lining up for the bus to the park that had EMH long after EMH are over? If they were more educated, they'd know to avoid that park especially since they didn't make it for EMH. I know on my first trip, back when EMH was only morning, I used morning EMH to plan my trip. I had every intention of getting there in time for EMH, but even when I didn't, I still went to that park. I think many people still do that.

One thing I think MAY impact crowds is the use of the cell phone apps with lines, etc. I still think most people won't know they exist or use them, but I think if a popular attraction shows a short line, people may flock to it, though in general, I think it will even out. If both Splash and Space are showing short waits, that will split the crowd based on preference.

Internet boards and guidebooks have been around for a LONG time and other than the mad dashes at RD, we're far from seeing people all following the same course or the optimal touring plan. Most people don't know and never will know. Some people know and just can 't bring themsevles to follow any kind of plan on vacation, and some people (like me) only follow the plans and "best practices" loosely, according to preference. All of these variations mean that with foresight, you'll still be able to avoid crowds.

As for less crowded times becoming more crowded I don't think that has anything to do with internet sites. I think it's always been obvious/known that summer and Christmas are the most crowded times of the year. Disney actively has created events (MNSSHP, MWMCP, F&W, Marathon, etc etc), and promotions (Kids stay and play free, Free Dining, etc), during these "off" seasons to try to attract guests. I think it has more to do with Disney's marketing than anything else. Free Dining is a huge draw and may convince some people to take their kids out of school after all.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
with all the disney sites,,,books,,,,etc that come up with all the wonderful and valuable info o saving time,,,money at the parks
do you think that it also changes things?
what i mean is the little schedule ideas,,,etc
suggesting hitting a certain ride first,,,catching show A ,,,fastpass for ride B
if everyone reads these,,,,i wonder if that then throws off the time saving value?
or am i i once again cuckoo bananas and overthinking things?:veryconfu

Definately over thinking... which is something I never do. :)


NOTICE THE HINT OF SARCASM


-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:
 

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