Rumor WDW Rumor Tracker - Revenge of the Fifth

[MarkC6686]

Yeah, a fifth gate has always been a *possibility,* and I'm sure constantly hanging in the background.

The 2032 Plan was a way for Disney to lock in the possibility of doing it -- if they ever wanted to -- without the new board blocking it.

But even the 2020 plan indicated large swaths of land suitable for another gate.

Where are the large swaths of land?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Where are the large swaths of land?

Maps of the Reedy Creek 2010 - 2020 Plan

The Reedy Creek Improvement District (RCID) is the governing jurisdiction for Walt Disney World comprising the 'towns' of Lake Buena Vista (formerly Reedy Creek in which Disney Springs, Saratoga Springs and Port Orleans live) and Bay Lake (the rest of developed WDW), and the unincorporated...

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[SteveAZee]

Yeah, a fifth gate has always been a *possibility,* and I'm sure constantly hanging in the background.

The 2032 Plan was a way for Disney to lock in the possibility of doing it -- if they ever wanted to -- without the new board blocking it.

But even the 2020 plan indicated large swaths of land suitable for another gate.

What is the swath-to-gate ratio?

 

[MisterPenguin]

What is the swath-to-gate ratio?

dry or wet weight?

 

[SteveAZee]

dry or wet weight?

It's Florida, so wet.

 

[danlb_2000]

Maps of the Reedy Creek 2010 - 2020 Plan

The Reedy Creek Improvement District (RCID) is the governing jurisdiction for Walt Disney World comprising the 'towns' of Lake Buena Vista (formerly Reedy Creek in which Disney Springs, Saratoga Springs and Port Orleans live) and Bay Lake (the rest of developed WDW), and the unincorporated...

forums.wdwmagic.com

We should probably update that thread with the latest maps.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We should probably update that thread with the latest maps.

Weren't the latest maps rescinded in the recent board detente?

 

[mikejs78]

Hi @Moth, I think this needs to be updated

Night Time Parade

• Nothing reliable about this in awhile.

New Night Parade is pretty much a lock at this point.

 

[TTA94]

Hi @Moth, I think this needs to be updated

Add to that from the other thread:

Heard an update today - things are still looking good

 

[danlb_2000]

Weren't the latest maps rescinded in the recent board detente?

I have lost track of what is going on with that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I have lost track of what is going on with that.

AFAIK the "11th hour" contract with the old board to cement in what Disney wants and what the new board could do has been mutually agreed upon as not in force any more, which would include the new '32 plan. Also, what the new board has attempted to do since coming into existence is mutually mooted.

So, starting with a clean slate. I'm sure the '32 zoning plan will be re-adopted by the new board now that they're seemingly committed to not purposely make things 'difficult.'

Lemme check with the wonks in the RCID thread...

 

[MisterPenguin]

AFAIK the "11th hour" contract with the old board to cement in what Disney wants and what the new board could do has been mutually agreed upon as not in force any more, which would include the new '32 plan. Also, what the new board has attempted to do since coming into existence is mutually mooted.

So, starting with a clean slate. I'm sure the '32 zoning plan will be re-adopted by the new board now that they're seemingly committed to not purposely make things 'difficult.'

Lemme check with the wonks in the RCID thread...

And the 2032 plan is moot. Reverting back to 2020 as the working plan... already 4 years out of date.

The 2020 plan is back as the guide to the zoning. No word still on what the Board thinks needs to be changed. No actual start on that process but the development agreement was somehow supposed to come first and then, in contradiction to its purpose, be changed after a new plan was developed.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

@Moth @wdwmagic and @ToTBellHop were dropping some knowledge about a night parade in this thread

Yes this has been the case and one of the main reasons it has been gone for so long. However, a recent shift, and orders from above, have changed that thinking.

Yeah, I had first heard and mentioned here about the PtN option several years back, but that was constantly delayed. Thankfully, the edict coming from higher up in the company is likely to land us with a long-term parade instead of a temporary hand-me-down used for marketing.

I’m not as well versed in Disneyland entertainment and I know Fantasmic! is their focus this year but I would not be at all surprised if the rumors that they want to keep their PtN and run it with an update or 2 for their 70th next year are true. So several forces may have aligned to actually give WDW its own, new parade.

It’s a physical parade you’ll watch from the street side. With blinky blinks. And then an hour later, big boom boom in the sky.

Like in the olden days.

Wait for the toddler moms to come in and complain that little Westley can’t stay awake until 10 pm for fireworks!

I think the opening of EPIC will be a significant one for WDW

Could even be here for the opening of Epic Universe!

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Train from airport to Disney Springs

• Brightline discussion thread [here]
• Target is 2023, but, could be delayed to 2024 [here]
• No [official]

@Moth it's time for an update.

Page 53: https://corporate.sunrail.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/CFCRC-4-25-24.pdf

 

[Moth]

Small update. Big Thunder Retrack, Trains to Disney Springs and Night Parade stuff.

 

[Moth]

Taking a short hiatus from updates. I know I gotta add the Tiana opening but I'm busy with life right now. Just wanna be transparent so yall aren't shocked if I pause updates for a bit ^^

 

[low_employee_72]

What does EU mean in this context? Epic Universe?

 

[MisterPenguin]

What does EU mean in this context? Epic Universe?

Yes.

 

[Moth]

Okay okay I'm back. I gotta add Tiana's opening date, but other than that, anything I've missed lately?

 

[CaptainRexy]

Aside from Tiana’s…

Explosive finale for Thunder has seemingly been confirmed, per Mickey Views: https://mickeyviews.com/news/explos...-disney-worlds-big-thunder-mountain-railroad/.

Concept art for South America Land at DAK! https://x.com//status/1797816435294744842?s=46 [allegedly Imagineering and Animal Care are arguing over whether new animals should actually be added to the area]

Aside from those, Disney Parks shared a new update video about the Country Bears redo a couple days back! Not terribly exciting but did confirm two of the songs. Oh, and Disney Dreams That Soar (aka the drone test show) officially debuted at Disney Springs on May 24 and will run until September 4.