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[Brian Noble]

New fantasy land added little to no capacity over what had been removed prior. (Nemo,skyway) ect

That's nonsense. The subs were ridiculously low capacity, and are easily surpassed by 7DMT. If you've ever seen a skyway-like-ride dispatch interval, you would also recognize that the Mermaid omnimover vastly surpasses it. Add the character meet with Ariel, the Belle meet/show, and a new restaurant, and it's not even up for debate.

And again, the subs closed in '94 (more than 20 years ago), and Skyway not much later in '99. So if you really feel the need to reach back 20 years to make that comparison, well...okay.

 

[matt9112]

That's nonsense. The subs were ridiculously low capacity, and are easily surpassed by 7DMT. If you've ever seen a skyway-like-ride dispatch interval, you would also recognize that the Mermaid omnimover vastly surpasses it. Add the character meet with Ariel, the Belle meet/show, and a new restaurant, and it's not even up for debate.

And again, the subs closed in '94 (more than 20 years ago), and Skyway not much later in '99. So if you really feel the need to reach back 20 years to make that comparison, well...okay.

Glad you think meet and greets are attractions thats the way disney likes it. Three packs of subs had good capacity I think your confusing capacity with limitations presented by guests themselves. Point is very little capacity was added I will give you some sure but in Grand scheme? Like you said 20 years....and let's say for giggles the new offerings doubled capacity over the previous offerings....still very little when you look at time frame. I'm not debating that NFL is better just that it isn't nearly the answer the MK needed. They need more capacity alot more.

 

[21stamps]

Glad you think meet and greets are attractions thats the way disney likes it. Three packs of subs had good capacity I think your confusing capacity with limitations presented by guests themselves. Point is very little capacity was added I will give you some sure but in Grand scheme? Like you said 20 years....and let's say for giggles the new offerings doubled capacity over the previous offerings....still very little when you look at time frame. I'm not debating that NFL is better just that it isn't nearly the answer the MK needed. They need more capacity alot more.

I just have to say that I don't understand this common passive aggressive "that's the way Disney likes it" and similar sayings towards people here. It baffles me every time.

Besides that, do you really not think that Enchanted Tales with Belle counts as as attraction?

The Disney of the 90s was my teen years, I remember Fantasyland back then. The skyway and 20k leagues were two of my favorite attractions.
However, What is there now is so much more than what was there previously.

 

[matt9112]

I just have to say that I don't understand this common passive aggressive "that's the way Disney likes it" and similar sayings towards people here. It baffles me every time.

Besides that, do you really not think that Enchanted Tales with Belle counts as as attraction?

The Disney of the 90s was my teen years, I remember Fantasyland back then. The skyway and 20k leagues were two of my favorite attractions.
However, What is there now is so much more than what was there previously.

Story tails is ofcourse an attraction of sorts...very odd mash up but none the less. Poor use of space in my opinion but cute. The crux is that there is all this emphasis on the looks and feel (I appreciate this) but alot of the substance falls flat. As neat as it is I don't think anyone gets off of mine train and says damn glad I waited 140 minutes for that. (Peter Pan still takes the cake with time you will never get back) Mermaid also fails to really wow you...sure it's a clone and all but it's brand new yet feels old and dated.

Fantasyland as a whole is broken not because the rides are not fun on the contrary. But because disney put every ride for 4 year olds in one park within 500 feet of each other. They built it and they came and the demand coupled with distraction based fastpass selections have ruined wait times.

 

[21stamps]

Story tails is ofcourse an attraction of sorts...very odd mash up but none the less. Poor use of space in my opinion but cute. The crux is that there is all this emphasis on the looks and feel (I appreciate this) but alot of the substance falls flat. As neat as it is I don't think anyone gets off of mine train and says damn glad I waited 140 minutes for that. (Peter Pan still takes the cake with time you will never get back) Mermaid also fails to really wow you...sure it's a clone and all but it's brand new yet feels old and dated.

Fantasyland as a whole is broken not because the rides are not fun on the contrary. But because disney put every ride for 4 year olds in one park within 500 feet of each other. They built it and they came and the demand coupled with distraction based fastpass selections have ruined wait times.

I don't disagree that the wait times are ridiculous. I was disagreeing with the statement of Fantasyland now has not increased capacity over what it was before..especially in recent years..but even going back all the way back to the 90s.

As far as Enchanted Tales, I've never done it, so not sure if it's good or not..I'm just glad that it takes other guests away from where I am.lol

 

[Bandini]

Glad you think meet and greets are attractions thats the way disney likes it. Three packs of subs had good capacity I think your confusing capacity with limitations presented by guests themselves. Point is very little capacity was added I will give you some sure but in Grand scheme? Like you said 20 years....and let's say for giggles the new offerings doubled capacity over the previous offerings....still very little when you look at time frame. I'm not debating that NFL is better just that it isn't nearly the answer the MK needed. They need more capacity alot more.

NFL may not have increased ride capacity, but that wasn't the goal for the refurb. NFL was about increased park capacity. The biggest addition is all of that concrete, that increased max park capacity by 5,000.

 

[wdisney9000]

I just have to say that I don't understand this common passive aggressive "that's the way Disney likes it" and similar sayings towards people here. It baffles me every time.

Disney "likes it that way" because they have lowered the bar of expectation in terms of what they produce yet people still herald it as amazing, or something on the level of what the company once created.

As long as they produce a few videos of the Imagineers on the construction site in their hard hats spouting off the standard buzz words and some artist rendering that is usually misleading from what the final product will look like, then they re-release an updated rendering with many of the original details removed. While they may create something visually stunning, it is usually void of substance. But hey, the faces on the AA's are projections!!!!!!!! AMAZING. Oh wait, Ive seen that technology for the last 15 years on BLSRS. But the Imagineer on the video said it was innovative, so that makes it brand new apparently.

 

[lostpro9het]

Disney "likes it that way" because they have lowered the bar of expectation in terms of what they produce yet people still herald it as amazing, or something on the level of what the company once created.

THIS!!!

If you starve people long enough then a stale cracker and a mustard packet begin to look like bounty.

It just feels like what we have been given over the last few years are crumbs at best. I'll say it, I think the fantasy land expansion was a flop but folks were so starved for something they went ape @#$! for it and will do the same when James Cameron's flop is revealed. I have high hopes for star wars land but will probably be let down when that is completed around 2024.

At the end of the day, though, I'll still go every year because I enjoy spending time with my family there and sadly I am part of the problem. Now, I have spoken with my wallet and stopped buying beer for the most part there and reduced visits to dining locations because of high prices and low quality but damn if I don't keep buying tickets!

 

[ford91exploder]

NFL may not have increased ride capacity, but that wasn't the goal for the refurb. NFL was about increased park capacity. The biggest addition is all of that concrete, that increased max park capacity by 5,000.

A half million bucks every day in sweet revenue...

 

[L.C. Clench]

NFL may not have increased ride capacity, but that wasn't the goal for the refurb. NFL was about increased park capacity. The biggest addition is all of that concrete, that increased max park capacity by 5,000.

Rides are an inconvenience for Disney at this point. All they do is keep people out of gift shops and restaurants and increase maintenance costs.

 

[RobbinsDad]

Glad you think meet and greets are attractions thats the way disney likes it. Three packs of subs had good capacity I think your confusing capacity with limitations presented by guests themselves. Point is very little capacity was added I will give you some sure but in Grand scheme? Like you said 20 years....and let's say for giggles the new offerings doubled capacity over the previous offerings....still very little when you look at time frame. I'm not debating that NFL is better just that it isn't nearly the answer the MK needed. They need more capacity alot more.

When historians look back at the demise of WDW, this will be the root cause:

 

[Andrew C]

When historians look back at the demise of WDW, this will be the root cause:View attachment 189479

I hope the demise comes after Pandora and SWL open...would like to see them before this total collapse...

 

[Kingtut]

New Fantasyland, the Pandoraverse, and Star Wars/Toy Story all seem to be counterexamples to that claim. The first was purely additive. The second is a pretty clear expansion of what was at best a stub land. I suspect it's not hard to show the DHS changes are capacity increases as well.

While NFL is a very well done change it did not increase guest capacity to anywhere near the level of potential demand for the MK. Pandora is/was a response to HP and will add some level of increase to AK. As for SW/TS it remains to be seen if there is any increase in capacity. My point was not that there have been no additions but that management wants roughly this number of guests per day. I don't see a fifth gate any time soon. NFL was dreamed up around 10 years ago ( I am too lazy to look it up) and did it adequately address the increased demand from guests coming to the MK? I would say no - over that time demand has far exceeded available capacity and will continue to do so. Guests complain about crowding so the company adds minimal capacity and spend a fortune on a project that has the effect of dumping many more people out of the queues and out in the walks/shop/restaurants. That would be a good thing if you also improved the shopping /dining experience but that hasn't happened either from the reports coming in from the field.

 

[contrariwise]

If you starve people long enough then a stale cracker and a mustard packet begin to look like bounty.

Please, sir, may I have some more?

 

[Kingtut]

Please, sir, may I have some more?

Only if you have some credits left in your DDP!

 

[ford91exploder]

When historians look back at the demise of WDW, this will be the root cause:View attachment 189479

Disagree, The autograph book has been around forever or at least as long as I can remember it was around during the 'free roaming character days' at WDW. I would argue it was the replacement of ATTRACTIONS with organized meet and gropes which was the inflection point to failure

P.S. Back in the free roaming days getting all of the Fab Five was quite an accomplishment.

 

[ford91exploder]

Rides are an inconvenience for Disney at this point. All they do is keep people out of gift shops and restaurants and increase maintenance costs.

I quote Paul Pressler - 'The only moving part in a Disney Park should be a cash register drawer', Chappie is Paul Pressler on 'roids.

 

[21stamps]

This was just on my phone's home page. Thought I'd share.


http://thegate.boardingarea.com/caesars-entertainment-properties-increase-mandatory-resort-fees/

 

[koalacat]

Since we're not paying resort fees now, what additional amenities will be added to suddenly justify a resort fee? Adding $50-$100 a day to the already outrageous resort prices may just be enough for me to call it quits for another year or two.

I hear Pop Century is getting coffee pots in the rooms...lol that's what must have done it

 

[Goofyernmost]

I noticed this past week that the resorts offsite are posting huge signs that say... No resort fees and No parking fees ever! They are seeing an opportunity to cash in "in a nice way" on Disney's alleged greed. (If indeed they do enact this.)