Wdw Beachclub- what has gone wrong with Disney??

flynnibus

Premium Member
That kind of stuff does happen. You should allow at least 1 1/2 hours before your reservation for travel time, preferably two hours, unless you can walk or take the monorail, which tends to run regularly

Plan for 2hrs of travel? You think that is acceptable? 3-4hrs to throw away in just transit time for a meal?

I assume you mean a rental car, right? If so, yes. That's not Disney's fault. Rental cars in the US are expensive. Your quote sounds a bit high, but there's a high demand, so it makes sense.

Actually, no it doesn't. Orlando is one of the cheapest rental markets in the country. The price is way high unless there are special circumstances not listed. Orlando rentals shouldn't be more than $50-60/day and that's not the bargin stuff. Cheap is like $20/day.
 

daisyduckie

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Is 90 minutes travel time acceptable when using free transportation that is not direct? I think so. If everything is running smoothly, as far as the goal of having 20 minutes or less wait for busing, the just waiting for the buses (if you need to connect) can eat up 40 minutes. And that doesn't include the time you spend actually riding on the buses. If both places are 10 minutes away from each other, that is an hour right there, with everything running perfectly.
 

jlsHouston

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Is 90 minutes travel time acceptable when using free transportation that is not direct? I think so. If everything is running smoothly, as far as the goal of having 20 minutes or less wait for busing, the just waiting for the buses (if you need to connect) can eat up 40 minutes. And that doesn't include the time you spend actually riding on the buses. If both places are 10 minutes away from each other, that is an hour right there, with everything running perfectly.

Oh no. 90 minutes for a direct route is not acceptable at all. And 90 minutes for a route with a connect is pushing what is acceptable. Those buses should be rolling through every 5-8 minutes everywhere. Disney committed to the internal transportation as a perk for onsite guests and they should provide it in such a manner it is a benefit not a hindrance. Waiting 20 minutes for a bus is unacceptable. We aren't talking about a lot of miles here. This is a rather small confined area and buses should roll to all stops every 5-8 minutes, as boats and monorails. Otherwise it's just poor transportation planning.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Plan for 2hrs of travel? You think that is acceptable? 3-4hrs to throw away in just transit time for a meal?
I'm not saying that it's ideal; I'm saying from experience that it can take that long. I've waited over an hour for a bus in previous trips. We always complain if that happens, but the fact is that it does happen. If you want to make your reservation time and NOT lose your deposit, then allow enough time to get there. If you don't want to waste your time like that, then I suggest planning to be where you need to be in time for you dinner reservation. The 1-1 1/2 hour rule has been our rule of thumb for years and years. Unless you are walking, taking the boat, or taking the monorail (for example, no need to allow an hour to get to Poly from MK), you should allow for this. It's better to get there early and enjoy yourself and relax for your reservation than to worry about waiting for your bus.

EDIT: I should also be clear. I'm not saying allow 2 hours to wait for your bus. I'm saying allow 1 1/2 to 2 hours for total travel time except for peak periods (like right at opening)
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Oh no. 90 minutes for a direct route is not acceptable at all. And 90 minutes for a route with a connect is pushing what is acceptable. Those buses should be rolling through every 5-8 minutes everywhere. Disney committed to the internal transportation as a perk for onsite guests and they should provide it in such a manner it is a benefit not a hindrance. Waiting 20 minutes for a bus is unacceptable. We aren't talking about a lot of miles here. This is a rather small confined area and buses should roll to all stops every 5-8 minutes, as boats and monorails. Otherwise it's just poor transportation planning.
20 minutes? I've waited over an hour in the past. 20 minutes is about what they run in my experience. If they ran those buses every 5-8 minutes all day, then a lot of times they'd be running empty buses. 20 minutes is an acceptable waiting time. The only time they run more quickly is when a lot of people are waiting.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I'm not saying that it's ideal; I'm saying from experience that it can take that long. I've waited over an hour for a bus in previous trips. We always complain if that happens, but the fact is that it does happen

At these levels transportation isn't a perk - it's a penalty.
 

KingdomofDreams

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Oh no. 90 minutes for a direct route is not acceptable at all. And 90 minutes for a route with a connect is pushing what is acceptable. Those buses should be rolling through every 5-8 minutes everywhere. Disney committed to the internal transportation as a perk for onsite guests and they should provide it in such a manner it is a benefit not a hindrance. Waiting 20 minutes for a bus is unacceptable. We aren't talking about a lot of miles here. This is a rather small confined area and buses should roll to all stops every 5-8 minutes, as boats and monorails. Otherwise it's just poor transportation planning.

I totally agree! Disney promotes this as a perk for resort hotel guests so they have an obligation to not only do it, but do it right. I would say 10 minutes should be the longest anyone should have to wait for a bus anywhere. The number of buses and the routes they are assigned should minimize the number of stops as much as is realistically possible as well. How they accomplish it is not my problem, it's theirs. They keep raising the cost of everything, they need to understand the more a guest pays, the higher their expectations. At least that's how it works with this guest. ;)
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
In general, when I pay a premium price to stay at a resort, I expect the services available to be in working order. So I don't really think whether I am at Disney or Atlantis or wherever, that I should be inconvenienced, uncomfortable or have to do the accommodating. I am paying to be accommodated and catered to. So I speak up. Sometimes I do it nicely and sometimes not so nice, but it's not on me to cut a resort operator slack, it's on the operator to make sure I am a happy guest.
Just speaking on the busing situation, when I stayed at Pop, the longest wait I had for the 9 days I was there was 20 minutes, and that was midday, so I expected to wait a bit longer. Usually when heading out the buses were waiting for us or we only had to wait a few minutes. Staying at BC and BW, and even BLT, the buses usually take at least 20 minutes, if not longer, and the resort that has the worst bus service, I have found, is AKL. The benefit of staying at BC or BW is you can walk/take the boat to two parks (the boat can be just as awful, though) and BLT you can walk to MK and take the monorail to Epcot, so it's a bit less travel time. This is unusual for BC though; we stay there every August and the service is usually wonderful, and on the occasions when it hasn't been (that stupid drink machine in Beach Club Marketplace, for instance) the manager has taken care of everything.
 

jlsHouston

Well-Known Member
In general the longest wait I ever experienced was at MK waiting on a bus to CSR around 11 am on the Monday following Easter Sunday. 25 minutes. That was bad. Pop should be 10-15 minutes at the longest and only during slow periods actually. Busy periods the buses should be moving like clockwork. Get the people picked up and to their destinations so they can experience vacation where they will eat and drink and spend. Bad transportation planning if they have intervals past 10 minutes.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
In general the longest wait I ever experienced was at MK waiting on a bus to CSR around 11 am on the Monday following Easter Sunday. 25 minutes. That was bad. Pop should be 10-15 minutes at the longest and only during slow periods actually. Busy periods the buses should be moving like clockwork. Get the people picked up and to their destinations so they can experience vacation where they will eat and drink and spend. Bad transportation planning if they have intervals past 10 minutes.
Downtown Disney buses can be really bad. Once had a 2 hour wait coming back at closing. 25 minutes to me is a bit longer than it should be, but their schedule for slower times is about every 20 minutes. Pop's a little different than BC too because middle of the day there were more people waiting for a bus for Pop than there would be for BC, plus there are no buses to 2 parks from BC, so the stop isn't as crowded. I've waited 20 minutes for a bus and have been the only one on it at BC.
 

daisyduckie

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I totally agree! Disney promotes this as a perk for resort hotel guests so they have an obligation to not only do it, but do it right. I would say 10 minutes should be the longest anyone should have to wait for a bus anywhere. The number of buses and the routes they are assigned should minimize the number of stops as much as is realistically possible as well. How they accomplish it is not my problem, it's theirs. They keep raising the cost of everything, they need to understand the more a guest pays, the higher their expectations. At least that's how it works with this guest. ;)


You may think 10 minutes should be the max wait time, but Disney's goal is 20 minutes. So wanting 10 minutes to be tops doesn't do you any good. And wanting them every 5 to 8 minutes is almost laughable. Using the goal of 20 minutes per connection, 90 minutes isn't that far of a stretch to get to point B from point A, using the Disney buses.

Disney promotes the buses as a perk. They don't, however, promote that they come by the resorts non-stop.
 
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daisyduckie

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Urban systems can do it... What ever happened to 'the Disney difference' ??

I guess people just expect that to mean the price difference...


People can expect what they want. But they have to have those expectations based in reality as well. I could expect Mickey Mouse to come into my room and shake me awake every morning. But Disney has never advertised that, so it isn't fair of me to expect it. Disney has never advertised or stated that buses come by every 5 minutes. So it is not fair (and kind of self defeating) to expect it.
 

cw1982

Well-Known Member
People can expect what they want. But they have to have those expectations based in reality as well. I could expect Mickey Mouse to come into my room and shake me awake every morning. But Disney has never advertised that, so it isn't fair of me to expect it. Disney has never advertised or stated that buses come by every 5 minutes. So it is not fair (and kind of self defeating) to expect it.

Disney has never even hinted at the idea of characters coming into resort rooms to wake up guests. They have, however, advertised thar guests could use Disney transportation to get around the World. It's not reasonable to expect guests who are paying thousands of dollars for their trip to be okay with waiting more than 20 minutes for a bus on a regular basis. Sure, things happen that slow down the process, but they should be the exception, not the rule. And really, if the buses are supposed to come every 20 minutes, then 20 should be the maximum wait, not the average, since guests seldom walk up to a bus stop within a minute of the bus leaving. So ten minute waits on average would seem more reasonable if having a bus arrive every 20 minutes is the goal.

I don't think a 20 minute wait is unreasonable, but I do think comparing a ten minute wait to being woken up by character visits is a bit of a stretch at best.
 

psukardi

Well-Known Member
Why oh why do people insist on using the buses at the parks? IF you can afford to stay at a place like the Beach Club you can drop the extra coin to take a taxi when needed. The cost of taking a taxi to Downtown from Beach Club isn't that much and you can still take the bus back. If you have people in your party that are in wheelchairs or crutches or whatever the case may be, they have can accommodate.

Heck, if you want to get from Beach Club to Magic Kingdom and don't want to wait (reservations, tour, whatever) - just snag a taxi and take it to Contemporary and say you're going to eat at (insert place) and then just walk in the lobby , make a hard left and follow the path to the park. It's leaps & bounds faster than taking the bus.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Why oh why do people insist on using the buses at the parks?

You mean.. why do we insist Disney provide a reasonable level of service for the product they are selling? Why do you insist on making excuses for why their failure to deliver is agreeable?

Why don't you take a taxi - because we already were paying for transportation as part of the reason for staying onsite.
 

psukardi

Well-Known Member
You mean.. why do we insist Disney provide a reasonable level of service for the product they are selling? Why do you insist on making excuses for why their failure to deliver is agreeable?

Why don't you take a taxi - because we already were paying for transportation as part of the reason for staying onsite.

The problem there is "reasonable", it's all on how you define the word "reasonable". They have transportation coming by every 20-30 minutes and that's reasonable. The transportation is clean, effective and accomplishes its mission statement. I am not making excuses, or at least I hope I'm not. If it were up to me there would be more buses available OR the better thing to do - just equip GPS tracks on all the buses and have nice LED signs at each park/resort telling you the time until the next bus. Because the one thing I would love to know is , "Did I just miss the bus? Or is there one coming in 2-5 minutes" If I just missed it, I'll go to plan B

With that being said, more often than not I find it easier and more convenient to use alternative transportation. More over, by staying at either the Beach & Yacht or the GF I do what I can to mitigate the chances that the transportation issues will become a factor.

TL;DR - It depends on what the definition of "is" is
 

psherman42

Well-Known Member
To the guest who missed their dining reservation because of the buses, I work at a table service restaurant in Magic Kingdom, and for us, I don't know if this is standard across property, but we give guests a 15 minute grace period after their reservation time to show up. After that, we put them on the hold list. If they show up, we will always honor their reservation even if it is 3 hours later(I don't think I've ever seen that happen though.), we just give them a wait time which could be anything from 5 minutes to an hour or even longer (again...never seen that happen), it just depends on how we're doing with reservations that particular night.

As for the buses, to the person that said they should be coming every 5-8 minutes, that is beyond impractical. Besides the fact that a lot of buses would be near or completely empty, can you imagine how many more buses they would have to purchase, how many more CMs they'd need to schedule to operate that way? I understand the frustration of the bus system because it's supposed to be a perk for staying on site, however like others have said, it's not always that long. It's very hit or miss. If you just so happen to just miss a bus every single time you head to a bus stop and have to wait 20 minutes + over a span of a 4-5 day vacation, I can understand where that would be frustrating. But can you imagine if Disney didn't offer bus transportation for resort guests and how much added traffic that would be to the area? That 20 minutes you'd save waiting for a bus would probably be spent sitting in heavier traffic. It's also great for guests who aren't familiar with the area and would have to rely on gps/road signs. Now I, as someone who has lived down here for over a year now think navigating around Disney property is relatively easy, given the amount of signs posted telling you where to go, but I also know that it can still be confusing to people who are from out of the state or even the country. I'm sure we've all seen those tourists cutting across three lanes to get to their exit while driving in the Orlando area, that problem would increase substantially if the on site bus transportation/DME didn't exist. I'm sorry about the lousy experience with the bus system, but if it's that bad, rent a car or find a taxi.

Also, about the "20 minutes should be the maximum wait". When you get on a Disney bus, listen to the recording. They say buses depart APPROXIMATELY every 20 minutes. Meaning it can be less than, it could be exactly, or it could be more than 20 minutes.

Lastly, about Downtown Disney's buses typically being worse than the parks. There was one time I was staying at All Star Sports with my dad and we were at Downtown Disney in the evening. We we were waiting for the bus back at the West Side and it was taking a very long time. Finally, a bus showed up but it was almost completely full and very few people were allowed on so we had to wait for another one to come. I think finally, they just sent a bus directly to the west side and skipped the Marketplace completely because the buses were filling up too much over there that they didn't even bother to go pick up at the West Side. To the person who mentioned waiting a long time at DTD, I don't know what side you were waiting for a bus at but I thought I'd throw that out there.
 

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