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Was Magic Kingdom's POTC damaged by the movie refurb?
- Thread starter George Lucas on a Bench
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Ginzuishou
Active Member
There was no curtain effect or fog before the drop when I went on it in January 2015.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I can't even believe you are arguing that somehow plundering a town and selling off the women is anything but what the historical meaning was.
What is bothersome about political correctness is that somehow people want to redefine what pirates did because it's a family ride.
Pirates were BAD PEOPLE - even a 6yr old should be allowed to understand that.
You can include bad elements without making them graphic. Which is what the original ride was about... taking a heavy concept and then turning it with some comedy and excess. Similar to what they did with HM.
Otterhead
Well-Known Member
Yes! Exactly! Spot on!
flynnibus
Premium Member
I guess for centuries women were scared of pirates because... they just weren't their type and didn't want to be locked down in marriage to one. Yeah... that's it.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Oh flynn, you old rogue! I thought you put me on ignore!
I missed you too! Want to snuggle?
Weather_Lady
Well-Known Member
Language, please! There's no reason to invoke profanity or mock a religion to make your point.
Otterhead
Well-Known Member
Apologies. No religions were meant to be 'mocked'.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Funny how your policing skills only caught this 'incident' and not the ones before it. No bias there at all...
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Sorry, but we need to see primary historical documents that prove pirates weren't really just looking for someone to do the dusting.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Am I inferring genocide is happening in the ride because I point out burning down a town is how one goes about exterminating a town?
Your position in this has been comical. Everyone knows what selling women into slavery is about.. and everyone knows why women have been scared of pirates.. and it's not just because of losing their jewels! Pointing out the scene is about selling women and what people do with women they BUY does not mean someone is inferring a sex act is DEPICTED in the attraction.
Just like seeing the original pirates chasing the women and why it was yanked does not mean you are calling the scene a RAPE scene.
Up next... someone will say POTC's pirates never kill anyone because it's not seen... and that's why it's kid safe.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Let me simplify.
It doesn't matter what REAL pirates were up to. There are no real pirates in PotC. It is an attraction based in fantasy. It's not a documentary, it's a theme park attraction. It's not saying anything beyond exactly what you are seeing.
It's clear I can't convince you or Lazyboy, both of whom I typically like, and like engaging with, that rape is not inferred. You are looking at the attraction in a way that I don't believe it's meant to be looked at.
flynnibus
Premium Member
killing is not depicted either... under what pretense are these people scared of the pirates since we don't actually see them doing any harm in the town? It's because the viewer is left to connect these people they see with the tales we've been taught about pirates.
Are we not to infer the pirates are the cause of the town fire? We don't see anyone set it...
Are we supposed to believe the pirates got all this treasure through hard earned wages? No one speaks about how it got there...
Are we supposed to believe these skeletons on the beach died of natural causes?
You say it doesn't matter what REAL pirates were up to? The entire story and connecting fabric of the attraction is WHAT REAL PIRATES DID.
The attraction (as many movies have) romanticizes the topic and adds humor/wit to the topic to lighten it up and focus on the adventure, cutthrought, and glutenous life of pirates to form entertainment. You never forget that pirates got what they had through murder and stealing.. but you don't consider it celebrating or giving your stamp of approval simply because you used their story as a basis for a form of entertainment.
Simply because the 'dirty aspects' of the pirate life style are not depicted in form in the attraction, does not mean 'well THESE pirates don't do those things'.. it is simply glossed over because it's not what they want to focus on or its impact is left to the viewer to connect. When the death star is blown up by rebels... or alderan is blown up... we don't focus on the thousands to billions of people that were horrifically terminated without cause.
It's why for decades no one was bothered by the types of behavior depicted in the attraction... its not until the PC police and vocal parts of society start preaching 'you can't celebrate that!' that these things become challenged.
Like the example of KILLING PEOPLE... the ride doesn't show it, but we understand the risk/fear the people are demonstrating because we know the reputation of pirates.
And in the Auction Scene, the fact the redhead is not scared but almost boastful, is the story element that instead of being fearful, depressed about her situation... she instead plays it up thinking she can manipulate the pirate that buys her.
We all know what pirates do with slaves and women they capture. Disney didn't have to spell it out for people to understand why the townfolk fear them.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Have you ever been on the original attraction at Disneyland? After entering the attraction building there is a series of portraits to the left of the queue. Portraits of Anne Bonny, Mary Read, Ned Low, Captain Charles Gibbs, Sir Henry Mainwaring, Sir Frances Verney, Captain Barbossa and Captain Jack Sparrow. Barbossa and Sparrow are the only fictional characters depicted. You then board the ride at Lafitte's Landing, named for another real pirate. How can real pirates be unrelated when the very first pirates you see are portraits of REAL pirates? If you have not seen the original attraction, then that would mean you have also not seen A Portrait of Things to Come.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
There's a pair of skeletons at the start of the ride with swords in them. They were obviously put there after the Pirates fell asleep and forgot to wake up.
Uncle Lupe
Well-Known Member
Keep a weather eye out for a bumps in the threads.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
I'll make one quick point about implied rape in the PotC ride.
The original chase scene had three gags in it:
1) The "pooped pirate" holding the slip of a woman, most likely the one behind him in the barrel
2) a pair of pirates chasing women
3) a woman chasing a pirate (which you can see at 21:20 in this video)
That third gag ONLY works, if you believe the woman was after the man for pleasure and because you assume this based on its proximity to the other two chases. Said pirate is none to happy about being chased, and he has nothing of value on him to imply that he stole something, is trying to or has worth taking from him. The woman in question just wants HIM, and even if you think it's just for kissing and cuddling, it's still not consensual (and that's the joke...the man is the victim). It doesn't matter that they're robots. The ride is a work of fiction, just like any movie or stage play. The medium doesn't change the message, which in this case was "pirates will be pirates".
Whether or not you think this joke was appropriate for a Disney theme park is another matter, and why the scene was changed in the US parks. However, to suggest there is no implication of rape AT ALL is ridiculous. It would be like saying the plantation workers in Song of the South were never technically slaves becuase we don't see life on the plantation before the end of the Civil War.
Now to be accused of digging up AND beating a dead horse and being all sorts of sinful things for putting such thoughts into writing.
The original chase scene had three gags in it:
1) The "pooped pirate" holding the slip of a woman, most likely the one behind him in the barrel
2) a pair of pirates chasing women
3) a woman chasing a pirate (which you can see at 21:20 in this video)
That third gag ONLY works, if you believe the woman was after the man for pleasure and because you assume this based on its proximity to the other two chases. Said pirate is none to happy about being chased, and he has nothing of value on him to imply that he stole something, is trying to or has worth taking from him. The woman in question just wants HIM, and even if you think it's just for kissing and cuddling, it's still not consensual (and that's the joke...the man is the victim). It doesn't matter that they're robots. The ride is a work of fiction, just like any movie or stage play. The medium doesn't change the message, which in this case was "pirates will be pirates".
Whether or not you think this joke was appropriate for a Disney theme park is another matter, and why the scene was changed in the US parks. However, to suggest there is no implication of rape AT ALL is ridiculous. It would be like saying the plantation workers in Song of the South were never technically slaves becuase we don't see life on the plantation before the end of the Civil War.
Now to be accused of digging up AND beating a dead horse and being all sorts of sinful things for putting such thoughts into writing.