Was 2019 Disney World's worst year in a while?

Was 2019 Disney World's worst year in a while?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 18.9%
  • No

    Votes: 36 32.4%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • Not THE worst, but one of the worst years

    Votes: 27 24.3%
  • Are you kidding? 2019 has been a great year for Disney World.

    Votes: 4 3.6%

  • Total voters
    111

HongKongFu

Well-Known Member
Local Disney destinations had an embarrassing year.

Star Wars, based on hype and expectation, was the single biggest disappointment in US parks history, probably globally, too. And now the Skyliner incident.


This embarrassment rivals:

Euro Disney general opening
California Adventure opening
Withdrawl of Disney America in Virginia
 

ninjaprincesst

Well-Known Member
A flopped Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and a crashed Disney Skyliner within its first week. Sounds like 2019 has been Disney's worst year in a while. Any input?

Note: I don't think the argument of "they're all waiting for Rise of the Resistance" works. The vast majority of guests probably have no clue a second ride even exists. Casual guests probably don't even know what one ride they do have. They just know "Star wars land." So no, I highly doubt that Star Wars land will suddenly be successful when Rise of the Resistance opens.
I would not call 195 minute wait times a flop. And I know a lot of people that are not Disnerds like me that do know about Rise of the Resistance and are waiting.
 

SeaCastle

Well-Known Member
Hard to put this in perspective without any kind of metric but the anecdotal reports of lower attendance, higher prices, layoffs, and cutbacks all around definitely seem like a harbinger of something, like a canary in the coal mine for an economic downturn. Attendance has been increasing steadily since 2011- there's always a bit of cognitive dissonance when things start to turn south after being up for so long.

There is a lot to criticize about WDW these days but I think what folks are missing is that there is now so much underway as far as construction goes. In my 15 years in the fan community I have never seen anything like this. If you were on Disney forums back in the mid and late 2000s there was really a feeling of bleakness and the start of the backlash against fans who were starting to wake up and realize that the parks just weren't the same anymore.

There was a solid six year period between Everest ('06) and Fantasyland Expansion ('12-13) where the only new ride that opened up was Toy Story Mania. Five years later Avatar was added, and now we're getting to a point where a dozen new rides or significant enhancements will be opening up one right after the other. Even things like the long-deactivated geysers at Thunder Mountain were refurbished inexplicably. And in the midst of those additions, there were slews of cutbacks- periods of mass layoffs, entertainment, ride maintenance, Lights of Winter, Osborne lights, etc. Disney was rolling out these annual marketing promotions where there was almost nothing to promote besides a re-skinned ride or new DVC. It was a tough time to be a fan of the parks then because it was so clear they were just riding out the goodwill of being a nice place to visit, that's why there were so many hollowed out, feckless promotions about dreams and memories.

Nowadays there is more coming to the parks than ever before in recent memory. It's hard to be a park fan for different reasons. But 2019 to me was the calm before the storm as far as changes go.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Nah.

GE is actually great. As is the Skyliner.

The disaster is happening at the park where EPCOT used to be. Coupled with the continued decline of that brew of price hikes, unsightly hotel towers, turning DAK from a zoo to a toon park and the MK from a Disney park to a zoo.
 

danheaton

Well-Known Member
I would have said no given some of the past years where nothing happened. However, the Skyliner problems have me wondering about it. When you add that to Galaxy's Edge not being the hit they expected, it's not going to rank among the best years for the parks. I guess a lot depends on the perspective. Are we talking about Disney as a business or in terms of guests?
 

Raineman

Well-Known Member
I find it quite fitting that, in our short attention span-based society, people are deeming something that has only existed for less than 6 months a "failure" or a "flop". If, after a minimum of a year's time, SW:GE is still not drawing the numbers everyone thought it would, then there should be a concern. However, anyone that dismisses the idea that having ROTR open will not draw more people to GE will be proven to be wrong, IMO. Disney was in a lose-lose situation with GE-open early with only one functioning attraction and "It's only half a park, nothing to do", or wait until both attractions are ready to open and "What's taking them so long? This is ridiculous". It would be nice to get more balanced, logical opinions on here amidst the crushing numbers of pixie duster gushing and doom and gloomer bashing.
 

HongKongFu

Well-Known Member
span-based society, people are deeming something that has only existed for less than 6 months a "failure" or a "flop"


Hypothetically if Star Wars had a 2 hour consistent wait just to enter the land for these first 4+ months(including DL of course) would you have labeled it a " success"????

Or would you be telling us to wait at least 6 months before calling it a success?
 

Raineman

Well-Known Member
Hypothetically if Star Wars had a 2 hour consistent wait just to enter the land for these first 4+ months(including DL of course) would you have labeled it a " success"????

Or would you be telling us to wait at least 6 months before calling it a success?
Initial success? Yup. Long term, overall success? Again, too early to tell. If a business opens, and the sales/clientele are initially low, it is considered a failure? If it opens, and it immediately brings in large numbers of customers and revenue, can you call it a successful business? The first 6 months is too small of a sample size to make a determination other than initial success/failure, as things can change over time.
 
Hard to put this in perspective without any kind of metric but the anecdotal reports of lower attendance, higher prices, layoffs, and cutbacks all around definitely seem like a harbinger of something, like a canary in the coal mine for an economic downturn. Attendance has been increasing steadily since 2011- there's always a bit of cognitive dissonance when things start to turn south after being up for so long.

There is a lot to criticize about WDW these days but I think what folks are missing is that there is now so much underway as far as construction goes. In my 15 years in the fan community I have never seen anything like this. If you were on Disney forums back in the mid and late 2000s there was really a feeling of bleakness and the start of the backlash against fans who were starting to wake up and realize that the parks just weren't the same anymore.

There was a solid six year period between Everest ('06) and Fantasyland Expansion ('12-13) where the only new ride that opened up was Toy Story Mania. Five years later Avatar was added, and now we're getting to a point where a dozen new rides or significant enhancements will be opening up one right after the other. Even things like the long-deactivated geysers at Thunder Mountain were refurbished inexplicably. And in the midst of those additions, there were slews of cutbacks- periods of mass layoffs, entertainment, ride maintenance, Lights of Winter, Osborne lights, etc. Disney was rolling out these annual marketing promotions where there was almost nothing to promote besides a re-skinned ride or new DVC. It was a tough time to be a fan of the parks then because it was so clear they were just riding out the goodwill of being a nice place to visit, that's why there were so many hollowed out, feckless promotions about dreams and memories.

Nowadays there is more coming to the parks than ever before in recent memory. It's hard to be a park fan for different reasons. But 2019 to me was the calm before the storm as far as changes go.
I remember these days! I think the parks are doing better now! Exciting times!
 

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