Walt Disney World Park Hours cut starting September 8 2020

Miss Bella

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Most employees are at will. Unless you have a contract that prohibits it they can fire you for violating a company policy. If the policy says you have to quarantine after traveling they can fire you for not doing it. With social media and co-workers it’s pretty tough to pull off lying about where you went. All it takes is one post somewhere, one co-worker who slips up, etc. People with kids have a harder time. Kids have to lie to classmates about their vacation. Most people are t going to risk it, not when they can just go later or go somewhere not on the list.
I thought it was a state policy not a company policy. I guess it depends on how employer feels about such policy wether they want to enforce it. I’m sure many employers feel it’s as ridiculous as many of us do.
It really is a shame that a handful of states are doing this.
 

YodaMan

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They are dealing with ride capacity limits too which can’t help. Maybe the answer is to go with 100% advanced reservations as a lottery system for the ride. A day or 2 in advance. Everyone going to the park that day puts their name in and they randomly assign times to ride then if you get shut out you get shut out and if you get 3pm you don’t need to get there by rope drop to attempt to get a boarding group. It’s the AP holders that present a problem. Maybe limit it to 1 ride a week or something.

Agreed. They’ll have to find a way to get creative soon. With boarding groups released at rope drop and no park hopping currently, almost the entirety capacity for the park has entered the turnstiles by the time the park “opens” at 10:00 am. The lines are atrocious for everything while everyone waits for the second drop at 2:00 pm, and people that don’t get anything from the second group tend to leave shortly after and those that do get a group tend to leave after getting off Rise. The park is almost always a ghost town after 4 pm and extending park hours just never makes sense. Increasing park hours would allow a couple extra hours of guests getting to go on Rise, but there’s no real ROI for the extended operating costs and they can’t increase capacity at all when the park is always booked out and everyone arrives before park open.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I thought it was a state policy not a company policy. I guess it depends on how employer feels about such policy wether they want to enforce it. I’m sure many employers feel it’s as ridiculous as many of us do.
It really is a shame that a handful of states are doing this.
Most corporations I know of are requiring compliance to state requirements. They don’t want to set their own rules, easier to just point to the state laws. Anyone who has the option to work from home can just do that in most cases. Obviously anyone working for the government has to follow government requirements. If you own a small business it would be your choice. I’m sure some want compliance and others don’t care. Most of the people I know of in my area who were directly impacted worked outside the home as teachers or in healthcare or first responders. I know some people who traveled and just did the quarantine.

It’s more than a handful of states. Here’s the most recent list. Some are more restrictive than others.

 

TTA94

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If they don’t allow park hopping I would think they could do fireworks at Epcot very easily. I never felt packed in when watching fireworks at world showcase like at other parks.

They could also do mini fireworks shows from 8-9 pm. Like do epcot forever in 4 segments for example.

That would help draw guests away from MK during the holidays this year as well. MK has and always will be the most popular park during the holidays, regardless if it’s downgraded this year because of Covid.
 
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Dan Deesnee

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Agreed. They’ll have to find a way to get creative soon. With boarding groups released at rope drop and no park hopping currently, almost the entirety capacity for the park has entered the turnstiles by the time the park “opens” at 10:00 am. The lines are atrocious for everything while everyone waits for the second drop at 2:00 pm, and people that don’t get anything from the second group tend to leave shortly after and those that do get a group tend to leave after getting off Rise. The park is almost always a ghost town after 4 pm and extending park hours just never makes sense. Increasing park hours would allow a couple extra hours of guests getting to go on Rise, but there’s no real ROI for the extended operating costs and they can’t increase capacity at all when the park is always booked out and everyone arrives before park open.

I was there last week on a weekday. Heavily crowded right up till about 20 minutes before close. In fact the last thing we did before it closed was Falcon which had a 45 minute wait I believe.

I don't think extending HS hours to 8 gains you much. We always cut out of there around 6-7 pre covid to go grab dinner at a resort or Epcot anyway.

The hours extending into the evening are a great step in the right direction. Now I want to see 2 park passes per day. Nothing beats staying at the Boardwalk and doing Epcot morning, HS evening one day, then HS morning, Epcot evening the next. 2 days with no transportation needed!
 

legwand77

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Nobody is being restricted from traveling. You are just being asked to quarantine for 14 days when returning from a place deemed to have widespread community spread. It’s not that hard to understand why it’s being done. it’s not a punishment or a political move like people keep trying to make it out.

There are a million articles written about Covid, I doubt any one article has any influence on public policy. I have no idea what’s happening in Sweden and assume that since international travel is still not allowed there’s no reason to talk about it in a thread on Disney park hours. I don’t think Sweden was a very big demographic for WDW even pre-Covid.
I was using travel restrictions as that was your description that is preventing people from going causing less of a demand at the parks. My point still stands, I would be frustrated the government to fine me for not following their travel rules rules. When the remainder of the country can travel freely and quarantine on their own as needed.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I was using travel restrictions as that was your description that is preventing people from going causing less of a demand at the parks. My point still stands, I would be frustrated the government to fine me for not following their travel rules rules. When the remainder of the country can travel freely and quarantine on their own as needed.
Point taken. Whether we think these travel quarantine requirements are fair or not is not the point. Disney needs more guests. Like em or not these rules are preventing a people from coming back. Even without state mandated restrictions there are still many people who don’t want to travel right now (especially on an airplane and/or to a place known for large crowds). Disney has done everything in their power to help people feel safe, but only a vaccine and/or a steep drop in cases is going to make a difference. In the meantime the parks are open for anyone who chooses to go and enjoy them. I just hope things are back to closer to normal by next spring/summer.
 

Dan Deesnee

Well-Known Member
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.
I would think that very few “first timers” would want to take a family trip to Disney world when there are no fireworks, parades, or character meets.

Obviously Disney has the data, would be interesting how many first time vs. return visitors they currently are seeing.
 

TTA94

Well-Known Member
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.

Tending to go with Quarantine Issues, Masks requirements, and guests not getting their money’s worth, or rather getting the full Disney experience with entertainment.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.
Agreed. The travel restrictions are only a small part of the bigger picture. It impacts people from certain states and all international travelers but not everyone. IMHO the top reason people who would normally go to WDW are holding back is still health concerns (travel overall more so than specifically WDW) but a close second is probably people don’t want to go because of a reduced overall experience at the same price: masks required, no fireworks/parades, rides/shows closed, no fast pass, reduced hours, restaurants/resorts not open yet, no character meets, etc... That’s just my anecdotal experiences. I know a lot of people who cancelled trips to WDW this year. :(

The economy is also a factor for anyone who lost their job, lost a second income or is concerned either of those things could still be coming. While WDW’s key demographic may not be hourly hospitality workers who were deeply impacted some other professions are also impacted. Flight attendants and airline pilots, managers at hotels and restaurants, owners or chefs at restaurants, the guy who owns my barber shop, people who drove for Uber or tended bar a few days a week for extra income that they used for vacations and leisure activities. My wife hasn’t worked since March. She was only working part time, but her whole salary pretty much went towards our travel budget. We are far from starving, but I have a little less to spend on a vacation. The economic impact can be felt at all levels even though the entry level or hourly workers are being hit the hardest.
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.
Our first trip to WDW was in 2009 during the recession. We got 45% off at the Polynesian. I think some really deep discounts might help.
 
Just got back home and every restaurant in Disney Springs, and probably all around WDW are full. Right now you won't be able to get a table for tonight. Disney needs to open more hotels and restaurants and maybe Epcot to 100%. Universal will be at full capacity this weekend.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
Those were the days!!! I stayed at animal kingdom lodge for like $145 a night. Moderate resorts were sometimes $90.
My parents saved everything from our trips in the 70’s. They still have the Polynesian room bil in 73 or 74 for 45 bucks a night. I think at the time the contemporary was around 50 bucks so we went with the cheap hotel.😃Stayed at poly 4 times in the 70’s then next time staying their was 2002. Prices were a bit different then. Now with DVC I get to go as much as I want. I haven’t even seen the room prices in 15 years so have no idea what a night goes for now.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
My parents saved everything from our trips in the 70’s. They still have the Polynesian room bil in 73 or 74 for 45 bucks a night. I think at the time the contemporary was around 50 bucks so we went with the cheap hotel.😃Stayed at poly 4 times in the 70’s then next time staying their was 2002. Prices were a bit different then. Now with DVC I get to go as much as I want. I haven’t even seen the room prices in 15 years so have no idea what a night goes for now.
It ain’t 50 bucks a night...that’s for sure;)
 
I think the issue of getting guests into the park goes far beyond travel restrictions or even Covid specifically. Below are just some of the reasons I can think off the top of my head that could make somebody not want to come.

- Mandatory quarantine for some states
- Health risk
- No fireworks
- No parades
- Some very popular resorts closed
- Some rides/shows closed
- Some restaurants closed
- Tickets still full price
- Very rough economy with uncertain outlook
- Masks required
- No Fast Pass
- Reduced hours
- Mandatory temperature screenings that could result in not getting in the park.

Each one of these might on its own be keeping three or four percent of the visitors away. You multiply that by 10 or 15 for each of the above and you have a large percentage of people that aren't going to come for one or more of the above reasons. I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention some.
The economy is not down. Right now try to get a restaurant reservation in Disney springs, Friday or Saturday, is almost impossible. Every restaurant is full and they are at 100% capacity. If WDW opens to 50% or 100%, the parks will get full.
 

Unbanshee

Well-Known Member
The economy is not down. Right now try to get a restaurant reservation in Disney springs, Friday or Saturday, is almost impossible. Every restaurant is full and they are at 100% capacity. If WDW opens to 50% or 100%, the parks will get full.

28,000 Cast Members were laid off in the past week. The economy is down and Disney doesn't think it'll bounce back quickly enough to support pre-pandemic staffing levels.
 
28,000 Cast Members were laid off in the past week. The economy is down and Disney doesn't think it'll bounce back quickly enough to support pre-pandemic staffing levels.
Because Disneyland is closed and costing Disney money in maintenance and utilities. The California Gov is an idiot. Disney World and Universal been open since July and the cases keep coming down. Restaurants in Florida can open at 100% after phase 3. I few hours ago I tried to get a table in Disney Springs and everything is full and the line for Polite Pig was really long, all the way outside of the restaurant. Went to another restaurant outside WDW and it was full. I had to dine on the bar.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
28,000 Cast Members were laid off in the past week. The economy is down and Disney doesn't think it'll bounce back quickly enough to support pre-pandemic staffing levels.
Sad but true. Nearly half of hotel rooms are still closed as well as a large number of restaurants. The parks are filling up with locals with APs (especially on weekends) but there’s no sign of the tourist crowd coming back any time soon. That’s why the furloughs became layoffs. Universal is even worse with all the tickets sold in the summer that turned a 1 day ticket into an AP through Christmas. There was some hope that things would have improved and maybe there would be a nice holiday bump but that’s seeming less likely. They would have to open more resorts pretty soon if they expect a big bump in demand. It would be great for CMs out of work.
 

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