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Walt Disney Imagineers Unveil Mysterious Portrait...
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The Empress Lilly
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But the image of Hollywood is already one of a lascivious Sodom and Gomorra, powered by drugs and sex and full of gays and, worse of all, liberals.
That doesn't prevent Hollywood being the worldwide supplier of family friendly movies. (Possibly, because in their heart of hearts, everybody realises that the worst offenders are the very televeangelicals who protest the loudest)
And the imagineers aren't famous. They are not celebrities. They are complete unkowns. Their sordid escapades are of no interest to the public at large. Not even their status as 'works for Disney' changes that any great deal.
BlueSkyDriveBy
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Which is why I can't imagine Tony actually publishing such a damaging book while he's still alive.
If the stories contained in the tell-all book were severe enough to bring significant fiscal pain to Disney via bad PR, there's no way Baxter could escape completely from any negative fallout; publishing the book would probably backfire on him. He would most likely be forced to give up attending Disney fan events, red carpet premieres, industry gatherings like IAAPA, because of the animosity that would surely be leveled against him for publicizing all that Disney dirt.
Using a tell-all book as leverage to remain as the most senior Senior Vice President at WDI is a nasty double edged sword. Burbank would be smart to call his bluff. I can't imagine that working his job for a few more years is more important to Tony than being able to bask in the fanboy glow while attending high profile events. The latter could easily continue for one or two more decades. The job? Not so much.
John Hench was the last of his kind. I don't see anyone at Disney being allowed to stay on as long as Hench did. Not even Tony. That ship has long since sailed.
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the.dreamfinder
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Aren't tony and John close?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yet said stories are talked about by multiple people as if it's solid information. Either the dirt isn't as secret as people think it is.. or people are really into blind faith.
The only way leverage works is if someone knows you have it. The only way 3rd parties know you have leverage is if the 3rd party has seen it threatened, or the story itself is spread. If the story is spread, it's no longer a secret. If the story is out, the only way to maintain leverage in situations like that is to hold something besides the story itself.. like evidence.
I just don't get how people can speak with authority that Person A has the dirt - without knowing the dirt themselves or having seen threat of dirt being used. And the latter really doesn't work in a public situation - only behind closed doors in small groups.
Sorry if I ramble.. but it just seems so much like runaway rumors.. corroborated by hearing the same rumor from somewhere else.
I don't doubt at all there are skeletons all over (every environment has them) - but leverage through exposing skeletons don't work when everyone knows they are there. It only works if a few people know they exist.
And for everyone with 5th hand knowledge of the situation to know it exists so confidently.. just doesn't add up to me.
Ok.. I will stop wondering out loud..
BlueSkyDriveBy
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Did it ever occur to you that there is information known to a handful of individuals, that is so damaging to a very specific and very powerful person's reputation and professional existence, that to let the info leak out, would basically invite death to the person doing the leaking?
I know this type of info exists at Disney. I used to work for Disney. I know firsthand about the info, who was involved, and the timeframe. I also know that I'm not the only individual who knows about it. The number of individuals who do know, however, is very small. And yes, I would be terrified to tell anyone about this info, given the individuals involved, lest I find myself being tossed involuntarily off a bridge.
You don't have to believe me. I wouldn't expect you to believe me, because you don't know me personally. But none of that matters. All that matters is, very powerful people can sometimes do very terrible things. It goes with the territory. So no one here should ever be surprised that anyone with power in a major multinational corporation as big as Disney, wouldn't be capable of abusing that power for his/her own personal gain. That's simply how it's been for thousands of years. Just watch Game of Thrones and you'll see what I mean.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Sure - but when that info is as damaging and held tight as you say.. and then in the same breath see a half dozen plus people on a fan site talk as if they know the info first hand (but just can't share it).. doesn't that seem a bit unaligned? It's life threatening.. yet enough people know it, it ends up talked about amongst random strangers?
I know enough about your posting history BSD to trust what you say.. but it still boggles my mind
BlueSkyDriveBy
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The info that I was referring to, is something I highly doubt is known by others posting here. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.
Now you know how I feel about Kevin Clash. I was shocked when I first heard about it. And saddened, definitely. The documentary 'Being Elmo' was very interesting, and made me love Kevin's success story as a puppeteer even more. But this new scandal? It's the sort of thing that makes your heart heavy. You almost feel betrayed.I know enough about your posting history BSD to trust what you say.. but it still boggles my mind
Now imagine someone at Disney who's well known, who might be in a similar situation. Do you want to be the one to make accusations of that nature, that might not be provable without eyewitness testimony, and you're not an eyewitness? And the parties directly involved whom you trust don't want to come forward and testify? There's not a lot you can do in those situations without putting yourself between a rock and a hard place. In fact, there's nothing to do but keep to yourself and let it go. Unless, of course, you have the power and resources to write a tell-all book and weather the damage from the legal storm that would definitely hit you.
CRO-Magnum
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Companies are composed of people, people are flawed, so the question is did the company cross the line by doing something inappropriate such as in the BBC case. That's the only part of the story that would concern me.
As someone who has had the opportunity to walk the halls of America's largest companies for 20yrs as a strategy consultant, I have witnessed the contempt and vigor with which personal attacks are propagated via corporate wealth and means. I lived my own snapshot version last year. I stood up to protect someone who worked for me who was gay and was being singled out for tortuous abuse by our superior. I was fired within 3hrs of telling HR. Luckily for me I knew even stronger people in HR who instead gave me a graceful exit with a nice check and the offender was moved to a new role, but he's still there in charge of people.
I know three stories about sexual predatorship during my time working for Disney both in CRO back in the early 90's as well as a consultant. Two in the call center, one involving a Lead who supposedly required woman to "service" him to get schedules they wanted; it's something he bragged about once in confidence. The other a woman who would offer her own services to guests staying on property. The third was a senior show producer blackmailed by another cast member because he embezzled nearly $100k. In any company of such size things happen.
But what rocked my world was what I heard from a former animator who retired and became my parents neighbor. He's since passed away but he had stories of near orgies among the staff, affairs of both the hetero and homosexual type in the era of bigotry, abortions, blackmail, embezzlement, and theft. But those stories exist in probably most companies. I've heard a few stories at Universal and Paramount in the same time period (40's - 60's) as well.
HMF
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His legacy isn't.
HMF
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The former Imagineers in Uni Creative would have a field day.Considering that bravo is owned by UNI, you betcha!!
HMF
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Unfortunately John is closer to Fitz.
HMF
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But didnt the allegation against Clash turn out to be false? edited to add, Oh, never mind.
the.dreamfinder
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HMF
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I honestly don't know but I will admit that Fitzgerald is a pretty good writer (Horizons, SSE 86 & 94) but an awful Creative Executive.
Edit: how did that happen?
The Empress Lilly
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Yet, here you are, telling the entire world that you know info that would get you killed if you tell the world.
SirLink
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Technically he hasn't shared his info, just that he has info - kinda like the witchhunt currently between the media and other areas in the UK. People sharing they have info but too afraid to release it direct.