View of SSE through Torii Gate blocked.

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Mark this thread for any time you need to argue that no matter what the change to WDW, someone will complain about it.

I put this in the Meme post....Seems about as good..

 

[tahqa]

By the way, those trees are slash pine and they grow about 50 inches a year....

 

[mweier]

By the way, those trees are slash pine and they grow about 50 inches a year....

It's incredible what the imagineers can do! /s

 

[WondersOfLife]

......this is the thread that I end up at after an hour and a half..... woo. I need to get off the internet.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I was in EPCOT a few days ago and noticed something very disappointing. The former grand view of Spaceship Earth through Japan's Torii Gate is now blocked by a tree. This tree looks brand new too, as you'll see in the photos, there's no way the tree could've grown that much in that short amount of time. Also just for reference, both photos are (post wand). You used to be able to get amazing perspective of SSE through the gate as soon as you walked out of the store in the back of the pavilion, no more. Now you can't even see it from there.

Well regardless of if or when there has been a tree partially blocking the view, the Torii Gate is aligned exactly with SSE, and for a reason. Wish there would be an unobstructed view of it.


While we're at it, one of my pet peeves is that the one place around the lake where they added viewing space intead of removing it, the bridge over the Channel between France and the UK, has a view that is much blocked by these same islands.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Well regardless of if or when there has been a tree partially blocking the view, the Torii Gate is aligned exactly with SSE, and for a reason. Wish there would be an unobstructed view of it.


While we're at it, one of my pet peeves is that the one place around the lake where they added viewing space intead of removing it, the bridge over the Channel between France and the UK, has a view that is much blocked by these same islands.

I would have to say, that I don't think that the Torii Gate was intentionally aligned with SSE was for any specific purpose. No matter where it was as long as it was across the lagoon from SSE it would be in direct alignment with SSE. Move it to the right 50 ft. it would still be in alignment with SSE. I also don't think that there would be any purpose to covering that view with trees. I think it is merely an accident of placement in either case. Why would alignment have been done to begin with? What would be the purpose? It was cool that for awhile, until the trees got bigger, it was framed in the gate. (would have done the same thing in any place it was located on that side) I doubt that it even entered into any discussion because there is no historical reason why it should be planned that way. Take any square box and place it there, it would have framed SSE. To much is being read into this.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I would have to say, that I don't think that the Torii Gate was intentionally aligned with SSE was for any specific purpose. No matter where it was as long as it was across the lagoon from SSE it would be in direct alignment with SSE. Move it to the right 50 ft. it would still be in alignment with SSE. I also don't think that there would be any purpose to covering that view with trees. I think it is merely an accident of placement in either case. Why would alignment have been done to begin with? What would be the purpose? It was cool that for awhile, until the trees got bigger, it was framed in the gate. (would have done the same thing in any place it was located on that side) I doubt that it even entered into any discussion because there is no historical reason why it should be planned that way. Take any square box and place it there, it would have framed SSE. To much is being read into this.

Oh, but my dear Goofy, but this is how that magic you love so much is made! The Torii Gate does align perfectly with SSE. And by no coicidence! Such are the subtleties of classic EPCOT Center's design. If the Gate had been ten feet to the right, the angle would've had to be slightly adjusted accordingly. Likewise, if the Gate had been rotated a few degrees in this position, it would've had to be moved a few feet to align it accordingly too. You'd still be able to get a picture of SSE in its center in either case, but not in alignment with the Gate itself. One can take a picture of SSE through a box from just about anywhere in WS. But not one that is perfectly aligned.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Oh, but my dear Goofy, but this is how that magic you love so much is made! The Torii Gate does align perfectly with SSE. And by no coicidence! Such are the subtleties of classic EPCOT Center's design. If the Gate had been ten feet to the right, the angle would've had to be slightly adjusted accordingly. Likewise, if the Gate had been rotated a few degrees in this position, it would've had to be moved a few feet to align it accordingly too. You'd still be able to get a picture of SSE in its center in either case, but not in alignment with the Gate itself. One can take a picture of SSE through a box from just about anywhere in WS. But not one that is perfectly aligned.

My dear ML, there's also a better then even chance that the magic is by accident and invented in our own minds. That's what I think this is a case of. It is pretty, but, again the whole thing could be in another place and still have the same affect. Any square, round, rectangle or triangle, when looked through at a specific angle will delightfully frame SSE. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes things happen by accident and not be design. The view of a sphere is the same from any angle. They could have put that gate in the parking lot and gotten somewhat the same affect.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Oh, but my dear Goofy, but this is how that magic you love so much is made! The Torii Gate does align perfectly with SSE. And by no coicidence! Such are the subtleties of classic EPCOT Center's design. If the Gate had been ten feet to the right, the angle would've had to be slightly adjusted accordingly. Likewise, if the Gate had been rotated a few degrees in this position, it would've had to be moved a few feet to align it accordingly too. You'd still be able to get a picture of SSE in its center in either case, but not in alignment with the Gate itself. One can take a picture of SSE through a box from just about anywhere in WS. But not one that is perfectly aligned.

Would Italy Count? Sure you have to step back a little to align it but, it's the same premise.

 

[Father Robinson]

View of SSE through the gate during EPCOT Center's construction.


I really wasn't complaining. I was merely saying it was dissapointing. I thought this was a discussion board.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Disney posted this on their Facebook page and it reminded me of this thread. d:

 

[DinoInstitute]

Disney posted this on their Facebook page and it reminded me of this thread. d:

Lol love how they use the angle

 

[Father Robinson]

Thread bump. After seeing the photo on the right today, I'm still shocked at the fact that there is a huge tree blocking the once grand view of SSE through the gate. Look at the arrows in both photos, they point to the trees that were there all along and you'll notice they are relatively the same height, (Which I assume to mean they've since stopped growing and have reached full maturity). Now notice that there is NO tree visible that would block the view of SSE in the photo on the left that was only taken a couple of years ago. For a tree to grow that tall as to block the view, there would be some sign of it, yeah? Also those are TALL trees. Wouldn't it take at least 25-30 years for trees to mature to that height? And please, I beg you, I'm in favor of trees, this is not a don't add trees to to the parks thing, please don't think I'm complaining. I'm just merely puzzled that's ALL.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Holy zombie thread, Batman!

Well, might as well at my two cents. This pic is from 2013. All that's changed is the tree(s) have grown. And yes, I leaned over the railing.



A little older is this one from 2012:

 

[Father Robinson]

Ok, here's a good comparison. The wand, seen in this pic, was in place from 2000 - 2007. Even if this pic was taken in 2000, is 15 years even enough time for a tree to grow that tall? I'll point out again that there's no sign of it in this pic.

 

[Sage of Time]

Trees are cool. The view isn't ruined. You can still see SSE everywhere else in the park and even through the trees.

 

[Master Yoda]

Ok, here's a good comparison. The wand, seen in this pic, was in place from 2000 - 2007. Even if this pic was taken in 2000, is 15 years even enough time for a tree to grow that tall? I'll point out again that there's no sign of it in this pic.

That tree is most likely what is called a slash pine or a loblolly pine and they grow quite quickly. That is why they are commonly farmed for both lumber and wood pulp.

Here is a growth chart for slash pine.

 

[Brad Bishop]

I think that part of the problem is where the picture is being taken. It looks like most of the pics complaining about the tree are having the camera somewhat close to the gate instead of back a bit (up a slight incline) and maybe zoomed in a bit to bring it altogether.

 

[Brad Bishop]

Disney posted this on their Facebook page and it reminded me of this thread. d:

Geez - when did they knock the gate out of alignment?

 

[Father Robinson]

I think that part of the problem is where the picture is being taken. It looks like most of the pics complaining about the tree are having the camera somewhat close to the gate instead of back a bit (up a slight incline) and maybe zoomed in a bit to bring it altogether.

Negative. I noticed the tree when I walked out of the store in Japan. That's as far back from the gate as you can get. It was still there when I got right up close as in these photos.