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Very poor bus experience..

We just returned from Disney world and although we loved our trip, we had some very poor experiences. :cry: Our major complaint had to do with the bus service to the parks/resorts. My daughter is in a wheelchair and the bus drivers were down right rude to us when we needed to use the lifts on the busses. They acted like it was a huge inconvenience for them (Gee, I'm soooo sorry my daughter is wheel chair bound!!). Many times the lifts were not working correctly, a few times the drivers did not lock my daughter's wheelchair in correctly, almost ALL of the times the drivers allowed general boarding before getting my daughter on--even though we waited in line like everyone else and even let people go on in front of us so we would be first in line for the next bus. One time the bus driver did not pull to the curb corectly so the lift could not lower completely and he had me physically LIFT my 50lb daughter in her wheelshair onto the lift! It was a really heart breaking experience--very UNmagical!! When we spoke to one of the managers at Port Orleans French Quarter about our experiences, he was very condenscending to us as well and did nothing to try & rectify the situation. :( :brick: This is the first year we have had to experience the negative wheelchair behavior since in the past she was small enough and easy enough to manage for us to transfer her out of her seat and carry her on the bus. That is no longer possible because she is getting bigger and is actually quite strong when she fights us! We did try to do that a few times this trip but it was a disaster.! :( I know I should not judge others since I do not know their situation, but it is really upsetting to see adults who appear to be in a wheelchair simply because of their size and then they take 'advantage' of the handicapped services and then someone who really needs it is looked down upon. It makes me really angry :fork: that this happened to us. We never look for, expect or want special treatment for her but a little common courtesy goes a long way! I am getting angry again just writing this :fork: It is so unbeliveable to me that this all happened at the 'Happiest Place on Earth'!!

Just wondering if any other wheelchair bound guests have encountered similar behavior from the bus drivers?
 

Gucci65

Well-Known Member
Trishnh said:
wow, what a horrifying story :eek:!! I know there is a lot of animosity out there towards handicapped people and 'special priveleges' they recieve. We never cut in line and wait in the que like everyone else and that is part of the reason why it was so unreasonable for them to fill a bus with general boarding when we were the first in line. We have a family of six and my husband always stood next to my daughter in her wheelchair and myself and the 3 other kids doubled up in seats so as not to take up too many seats. The lines for the busses can get very heated, though! One time we were waiting for a downtown Disney bus and we waited maybe 20 minutes and everyone was complaining how long it was taking. When the bus finally came, the crowd of people actually trampled over my 2 y/o daughter to get on the bus first!! She was crying because she was lost in a swarm of people and couldnt find me! :mad:

I usually hear about people complaining about the bus service and I have always found it to be very convenient and timely. This trip was the only time we have experienced bad service all around. If it had been one or two occasions that would be one thing, but it was a daily occurence for the 10 days we were there. However, this was also the first time my daughter was in the wheelchair.

Let me know next time you go and I'll make sure to be in the parks the same time just in case anyone shows your daughter animosity I can smack them upside the head. :lol: Animosity to grossly overweight people is one thing, animosity towards a child is another!!!!
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
Gucci65 said:
I think people who are truly wheelchair bound are entitled to as many perks as they can get. That includes getting in front of me at a bus, on a ride, etc. I thank God that I am able to walk around by myself and therefore feel the need to be kind to others who are not so fortunate.

BUT the guy in my story had to weigh over 500 lbs, this was obviously not your standard wheelchair. And before I make anyone mad, yes I do realize that he may have had a thyroid problem and not just an addiction to donuts. He was not rude, it was the other 20 people in his family who demanded they be put on the bus first. Demanded, not asked - big difference in my book. The line for the line was about 50 people deep.

This family of 20 would have taken up the entire bus.........they were all big people.

Also bear in mind that maybe he wasn't in the wheelchair because he was heavy; maybe he was heavy because he was in the wheelchair (no ability to exercise=depression=overcompensation with food, for some folk. I know when I broke a leg, I gained 10 pounds in about 3 weeks).

And while I'm not in the "I think handicapped people get too many perks" camp, I do think there's a big difference between giving them access to rides in the park and not having them wait their turn to get on a bus, especially if they're with a group. Dollars to doughnuts, that group of people "used" the handicapped person in their party to their advantage in every possible situation ("yeah, my relative is in the wheelchair so we get special access to all the rides and the best seats to all the shows, right?"), just like they did with the bus. Once in the parks, they probably wouldn't have waited on a solitary line. So let other people have a chance to enjoy the rides too.

I think I would've felt more sympathy for the guy in the chair were he alone or with one or two people who were having difficulty getting around with him. But to me, this stinks of a whole group or family trying to take advantage of a system that, when working properly, is courteously designed to help people with special needs.
 

Trishnh

Active Member
Original Poster
I wish I knew how to quote someone, but Gucci65, you gave me a laugh! You sound like me! :lol: Just dont smack me because I am overweight--I use my own two feet :lol: :lol: :lol: :hammer:

It is unbelievable how rude some people can be and we have heard several people comment, "it must be nice' or "I wish WE could go to the front of the line" Well, A-hole, I WISH my daughter was not handicapped!!! :fork: :mad: I would wait in the longest line in the friggen world for my daughter to have a chance at a 'normal' life!!!

As for getting the 'best seats in the house', try again! Wheelchairs & their families are seated at the very back of theaters and do not usually have the best view.
 

cindrelly31

New Member
Big Guy

Gucci65 said:
. . . BUT the guy in my story had to weigh over 500 lbs, this was obviously not your standard wheelchair. And before I make anyone mad, yes I do realize that he may have had a thyroid problem and not just an addiction to donuts. He was not rude, it was the other 20 people in his family who demanded they be put on the bus first.

Do you think the family could really move to the front of the line?? :confused: If the guy was serverly overweight he would not be able to enjoy many (if any) of the rides anyway. The family should have had to stand in line at the rides like everyone else.

And as for the guy being on the bus by himself, they could have let at least one family member on the bus with him (hopefully the least rude one), but I am glad to hear the driver made the rest of the family wait. :sohappy:
 

Gucci65

Well-Known Member
TRISHNH - I would love to smack people who don't know how to keep their nasty comments to theirselves. Hey Trish, next time how bout politely saying "Sir, I'm sure my daughter would gladly stand at your place in line if you would be so kind as to swap your good health for hers" Maybe that will shame him into shutting his mouth.

I have nothing in the world against overweight people, I merely posted my story to show what jackasses these people were. And yes CINDRELLI31 maybe he did get overweight from being in a wheelchair. I had no problem with the man getting on the bus it was the downright arrogance of the rest of his party. In all honesty, I'm sure there were quite a few rides that the man the some of his party could never ride.

I have a soft spot for children and the elderly ----- so don't mess with them around me :lol:
 

DisneyPhD

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear about your experincess. That was unacpetable. Most the time I have witnessed Disney being extreamly good to people with any kind of special need. I know Disney has a office of guest services just for assisting people with disabilities and making their trip more magical. I sugest contating them. I am not sure just how to do that, but I do know that www.disboards.com has a forem called "dis-abilities" just for guests to discuse such matters. It is very active and there are many knowalable members on there (you might get some good advice for the future too.)

Best of luck.
 

TnkrBelPixiDust

New Member
Trishnh.. reading about your experience horrified me!! One time while I was waiting in line for the bus @ MK a elderly lady was in front of us. She had one of those motarized wheel chairs.. well the buss driver didnt pull up to the curb and when they (the party with the elderly lady) tried to pick up the motarized cart it fell apart.. litterally.,. in peices! Had the CM done his job properly this might have been prevented! It's a shame to have such horrible experiences at the most magical place on earth!! :mad:
 

ladydancer

New Member
I'm sorry to hear about your trouble with the bus. Although it doesn't surprise me.

We had an experience with a bus at WDW a couple of years ago. Thank goodness there were no people in wheelchairs on the bus. We were riding along in a full bus back to our hotel late at night with 2 small children from downtown. The children were sleeping in our laps as they were exhaulsted. All of a sudden the bus pulls over and the lady bus driver tells everyone to get off the bus. No explanation!

There we stood a whole bus load of tired adults and children. Waiting for another bus. Of course every bus that came by either couldn't take anyone or could only take a few people. It took us about 2 hours standing at the bus stop waiting to get on a bus.

Myself and many people on the bus that night complained. Never heard anything from WDW.
 

Invero

Well-Known Member
I can't really comment on these situations, but I can offer some tips that might help folks for future trips...

1 - When at a bus stop that services multiple buses (such as French Quarter), it's helpful to the drivers when they pull up if you wave your hands at them, so that they know that you wish to board. Otherwise, they might assume that you do not wish to board thier bus, and instead want to go to another park, and thus allow other people to board first.

2 - Please be familliar with the wheelchair, and where safe tie down points are. Every wheelchair is different, and its sometimes hard for drivers to quickly find a safe tie down point. If you feel that the safe tie down points are too low for the straps to provide adequate stability, and the person using the wheelchair has the ability to, please feel free to have them move to a regular seat.

3 - 100% of our fleet is wheelchair accessible via lift or ramp, however, there are times when a lift or ramp might not be functioning. They are highly tempermental, and maintenance intensive, and just like all complicated mechanical things, they break. Disney buses have two kinds of lifts. The old hydraulic lift, and the new "Retro" lift. The old hydraulic lifts are smaller, and have a silver flap on them. The new Retro lifts have handrails. Slowly, the old hydraulic lifts are being replaced by new Retro lifts, and strapping systems are being converted to J-hooks.



On a side note, the EC/AK/DTD stop at French Quarter, the Contemporary stop, as well as stop #4, 7 and 11 at the Studios were all designed very poorly, and make lining up the bus to load a wheelchair very challenging, if not sometimes impossible. A lot of times guests will be in the way, preventing the bus to approach properly.

If you pvt me, I can give you address information for who to contact.

(on another side note, two high up managers at Port Orleans used to be managers in Bus Operations)
 

Trishnh

Active Member
Original Poster
well, I must say I am very disappointed..

After 3 months I finally heard back from Disney and I am very disapponted in their response. In my letter I also noted a poor experience we had at the Princess Storybook Breakfast and they were much more interested in that aspect than the bus issue--which was WAY more important to me, and I kept poining that out. :brick:So, even though I am glad they finally responded ,I do not think they are going to do anything to improve the issues we experienced :confused: . I guess time will tell. We are planning another trip for April 2005 and I hope we do not experience any of these issues again. If that happend, I will make sure to speak to someone in transportation before we leave Disney.
 

tigger248

Well-Known Member
Hi :wave:

Just read your thread, and I wanted to say that I'm sorry that all that happened to you back in July. I hope your trip next spring is much better. It's troubling that they didn't do much to correct your situation. I would think that would be important to them. I have a brother with spina bifida and luckily he can walk with the aid of leg braces, but he has difficulty walking big distances so we rent him a wheelchair for places like WDW. We have had a few problems, but none as major as yours. The most aggravating thing is waiting in the line and realizing you would have fit on the bus, if it weren't for the chair. We always wait in the lines, but when we get close to the front, or within the queue at park closing we usually wait by where the lift on the bus is. A driver told us to do that once because that way the driver is more likely to see you to load you on first.

We have received the comments that you mentioned earlier (the ones like "we should try that next time..." or "we'll have to get a wheelchair next time so we won't have to wait in line..."). My dad asked a guy once if he would want to trade legs with my brother. Brian didn't ask to have spina bifida and he would gladly stand in line if it meant he wouldn't have it anymore. I know he is blessed because he can walk at all and that his only really affects from his knees down. But, I'm sure his preference would be to not have it at all. He'd like to not wear leg braces, to not have pain in his feet and toes so bad he can hardly stand, to not have blisters from the braces, etc. Anyways, just wanted to say that I understand where you're coming from. My only hope is that the issues you addressed are solved. No one should ever have to go through that.
 

Shellybelle

Member
Trishnh said:
It is unbelievable how rude some people can be and we have heard several people comment, "it must be nice' or "I wish WE could go to the front of the line" Well, A-hole, I WISH my daughter was not handicapped!!! :fork: :mad: I would wait in the longest line in the friggen world for my daughter to have a chance at a 'normal' life!!!

As for getting the 'best seats in the house', try again! Wheelchairs & their families are seated at the very back of theaters and do not usually have the best view.
As a mother of a special needs child in a wheelchair, I know just where you are coming from. I'm sorry to hear about your experience and about Disney's response. I hope that you have an enjoyable trip in April.:)
 

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