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Upgrades and Improvements to Disney Transport

flynnibus

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I can't understand why Disney doesn't purchase a fleet of double deck buses as its all point to point and for high capacity routes such as to the values this could clear lines faster.
Load and Unload are the big constraints. Capacity helps, but they have to load up quicker too..
 

roj2323

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articos

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Ban strollers and it will be much quicker. short of that they need to reconfigure the cabins to the more open footprint to give strollers more room.

From this thread: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/screamscape-monorail-expansion-rumor.835346/page-24

edit: btw the side configuration will support 5 seats per side not 4 as drawn.
Future version will be flush to the platform, which will allow for faster load of wheelchairs and strollers. Banning them can't happen.
 
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Filby61

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In other words, doing everything other than something that would make a real difference - new monorail trains and proper investment in a failing transport infrastructure.
More decisions made by an elite management that rarely experiences what the customers experience. Get these guys out of their offices and make 'em start sweatin' with the guests, and you'd see services improve fast.
 

roj2323

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More decisions made by an elite management that rarely experiences what the customers experience. Get these guys out of their offices and make 'em start sweatin' with the guests, and you'd see services improve fast.
Amen to that! Upper management especially should be forced to work at least one week a year as low level cast members in their area and Park managers should spend at least a day shadowing every position in their respective parks to take notes on what needs to be changed, fixed exc.
 

roj2323

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They used to have to do just that.
The department heads still spend one day a year in their department at the bottom of the food chain but that's a far cry from a full week of experiences. The park managers spend a day as management of each department but that again is a far cry from being or at least shadowing the low people on the totem pole. It's quite frustrating as while they go through the motions they really don't get an honest experience that's useful in the way it was intended.
 

articos

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The department heads still spend one day a year in their department at the bottom of the food chain but that's a far cry from a full week of experiences. The park managers spend a day as management of each department but that again is a far cry from being or at least shadowing the low people on the totem pole. It's quite frustrating as while they go through the motions they really don't get an honest experience that's useful in the way it was intended.
Agree on all counts.
 

Monorail_Red_77

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I remember the first generation trams (after the airport tugs) and how they would belch black smoke into the air like a tractor pull. They had smokestacks that protruded from the back of the engine cover from the black ovals shown below. Anyone know if the current trams are the first generation tractors converted/ modified/ painted?

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....goes to read Bob Gurr article to answer own question.
Yup. Second to the last paragraph, there it is. CNG to Diesel, back to CNG. Same trams for 40+ years.
The below trams pertain only to WDW, not Disneyland.

I wouldn't doubt that the current trams are the same first generation maybe with different body panels, etc. After reviewing several other historical videos in my collection from Nov 1971 through to mid 1980's I have found at least 6 different versions of parking trams. I think that based on tug setup of Disney Tug #2 and Disney Tug #3 could be the same tug chassis with body refreshes and engine refreshes.

PHOTO COMING SOON
Airport Tug #1 - This airport tug was with an open-air driver area.

Tram 1973 - airport 2.jpg
Airport Tug #2 - This airport tug had an enclosure for the driver. Notice in this pic it has the light blue tram cars that remain after the Disney Tug #1 come on-line. Tram car length at this time was only three cars instead of the common place seven cars of today. video 1973 ft wilderness resort

Tram 1972 - blue.jpg
Disney Tug #1 - I think that this was either the first tugs that Disney both through Ford that had the overheating problem, or that Disney re-designed in-house with Bob Gurr. They looked similar to Version 2 and 3 below at least structurally. video 1972 MK/TTC Parking

Tram 1987 - orange.jpg
Disney Tug #2 - I think that this version was an upgrade/refurb of the Disney tug #1. Theses were in the 1980's with brown and orange markings. video 1987 EPCOT Parking

Tram 2011 - purple.jpg
Disney Tug #3 - This is the current verison tug with the Disney Transport and purple markings. video 2011 MK/TTC Parking

Tram 2017 - purple.jpg
Disney Tug #4 - This is the new tugs recently announced that are coming online soon. Colors may be different of course.

Tram 1992 - blue.jpg
Early Boardwalk Area Tug - These trams looked to be the same style as Disney Tug #1, with some fringe added to the driver roofline. Except that they are still running after Disney Tug #2 version is on-stage. Maybe these were a few remaining tugs from the upgrade to #2? they only needed probably two tugs for this area. These ran for a short time in early 1990's. This was when Dolphin/Swan was built and Yacht/Beach was being built and construction was starting on Boardwalk. Oddly enough this ran directly on the wide paths from EPCOT International Gateway and on the wooden promenade in front of current Boardwalk Resort. video 1992 Boardwalk Promenade area
 
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Brad Bishop

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The sad thing is that I think that, sometime in our lifetimes, they'll close the monorail as "too expensive to operate / maintain". It'll be something like enough of the beams need to be replaced that it just won't be cost effective for them to do so, plus the trains will be continued to be ill-kept.

I could totally see the, "Summer of the Monorail - get your ride before it's gone!" thing happening and them just circling buses from the TTC to the MK and, of course, have resort buses.

Probably not in the next decade or two with the recent automation upgrades but it's pretty obvious that show quality expectations aren't what they once were and if Disney can't see where the dollars are coming from to support the cost of something that they'll just dump it. The Monorail fits that pretty well.
 

Figment2005

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The sad thing is that I think that, sometime in our lifetimes, they'll close the monorail as "too expensive to operate / maintain". It'll be something like enough of the beams need to be replaced that it just won't be cost effective for them to do so, plus the trains will be continued to be ill-kept.

I could totally see the, "Summer of the Monorail - get your ride before it's gone!" thing happening and them just circling buses from the TTC to the MK and, of course, have resort buses.

Probably not in the next decade or two with the recent automation upgrades but it's pretty obvious that show quality expectations aren't what they once were and if Disney can't see where the dollars are coming from to support the cost of something that they'll just dump it. The Monorail fits that pretty well.
With the amount of money they just spent, are spending, not going to happen.
 

zulemara

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A couple thoughts as a former MK Watercraft Pilot:
1. So much focus is on monorails/trams, but MK Watercraft is also stretched to capacity. The DVC additions are increasing traffic on the boats and they do not have capacity to handle it. They desperately need at least 1 if not 2 new cruisers to handle the load AND allow for proper rotation and cleaning.
2. Even with additional capacity, there is still the human factor to these operations. That's really the biggest benefit to the automation of the monorails since I believe the driver will only initiate motion, but train speed and distance between trains will be controlled by the system.
3. At least at MK, the same situation applies to watercraft. The boats experience multiple service disruptions everyday - Ferryboats in the water bridge, Light show in the water bridge, guests on the blue route in ECVs needing transfers to another blue route resort, adjustments for lightning etc. The pilots have to be actively aware and engaged to keep the cycles moving efficiently despite the interruptions and several of them have absolutely no brain when it comes to that. For that matter, neither did(does?) some of management, but that's another story.
4. To give credit where credit is due, the dual main slip construction for the ferryboats keeps guests moving. Although the actual throughput may not be any different, the perception is that you're always in motion and that's what guests want. Holding = frustration.
5. The Ferryboats have also been upgraded in terms of their mechanical components and configurations. So they have maintained their maintenance schedule on the boats and allowed for a much easier loading process due to re-configuring the lower deck to allow easier ECV and stroller access. I hope they are able reconfigure the cruisers as well. They were not designed for triple wide strollers and amateur ECV drivers(which most people are and I have nothing against that, but 2/3 of the boats were not designed for it)
 

articos

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The below trams pertain only to WDW, not Disneyland.

I wouldn't doubt that the current trams are the same first generation maybe with different body panels, etc. After reviewing several other historical videos in my collection from Nov 1971 through to mid 1980's I have found at least 6 different versions of parking trams. I think that based on tug setup of Disney Tug #2 and Disney Tug #3 could be the same tug chassis with body refreshes and engine refreshes.

PHOTO COMING SOON
Airport Tug #1 - This airport tug was with an open-air driver area.

View attachment 188166
Airport Tug #2 - This airport tug had an enclosure for the driver. Notice in this pic it has the light blue tram cars that remain after the Disney Tug #1 come on-line. Tram car length at this time was only three cars instead of the common place seven cars of today. video 1973 ft wilderness resort

View attachment 188168
Disney Tug #1 - I think that this was either the first tugs that Disney both through Ford that had the overheating problem, or that Disney re-designed in-house with Bob Gurr. They looked similar to Version 2 and 3 below at least structurally. video 1972 MK/TTC Parking

View attachment 188156
Disney Tug #2 - I think that this version was an upgrade/refurb of the Disney tug #1. Theses were in the 1980's with brown and orange markings. video 1987 EPCOT Parking

View attachment 188158
Disney Tug #3 - This is the current verison tug with the Disney Transport and purple markings. video 2011 MK/TTC Parking

View attachment 188159
Disney Tug #4 - This is the new tugs recently announced that are coming online soon. Colors may be different of course.

View attachment 188157
Early Boardwalk Area Tug - These trams looked to be the same style as Disney Tug #1, with some fringe added to the driver roofline. Except that they are still running after Disney Tug #2 version is on-stage. Maybe these were a few remaining tugs from the upgrade to #2? they only needed probably two tugs for this area. These ran for a short time in early 1990's. This was when Dolphin/Swan was built and Yacht/Beach was being built and construction was starting on Boardwalk. Oddly enough this ran directly on the wide paths from EPCOT International Gateway and on the wooden promenade in front of current Boardwalk Resort. video 1992 Boardwalk Promenade area
Disney tug number 1-3 are the same Gurr/WDW chassis (with various changes or improvements), with new shells over the years. 4 is the new one. International Gateway was a repurposed Disney Tug 1. I believe the original parking lot tugs were repurposed to Ft Wilderness. The windshield folded down.
 

creathir

Monorail and PeopleMover Fanatic
Premium Member
With the amount of money they just spent, are spending, not going to happen.
100% agree.

They are too iconic as well.

If cost was REALLY a factor as so many like to claim, the DL one would be LONG gone.

It serves literally NO purpose, yet it still remains...

Why? Because it's iconic. People associate monorails with Disney and Disney with monorails.

"Have you seen the Las Vegas monorail?"
"Yeah! It looks just like Disney World's!"

They will maintain and upgrade them for perpetuity.
 

Monorail_Red_77

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Disney tug number 1-3 are the same Gurr/WDW chassis (with various changes or improvements), with new shells over the years. 4 is the new one. International Gateway was a repurposed Disney Tug 1. I believe the original parking lot tugs were repurposed to Ft Wilderness. The windshield folded down.
Thanks for your feedback, I thought I was on the right track. ;)
 

Monorail_Red_77

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Not really sure where to put this. So, I'll just put this here. Does anyone know what this hoist-type of rolling crane support is used for. It is located at TTC above the Resort Monorail Concourse only. The Express Monorail Concourse does not have one. EPCOT Concourse does not have one either. Plus I have not seen this at any other stations along the Resort, Express or EPCOT beams. I'm sure this type of hardware exists in the Monorail Shop backstage though.
Resort Beam Hoist 1.JPG

Here's a closeup below. It runs the entire length of the station.
Resort Beam Hoist 2.JPG


Express Beam seen below does not have one.
Express Beam No Hoist.JPG
 

roj2323

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Not really sure where to put this. So, I'll just put this here. Does anyone know what this hoist-type of rolling crane support is used for. It is located at TTC above the Resort Monorail Concourse only. The Express Monorail Concourse does not have one. EPCOT Concourse does not have one either. Plus I have not seen this at any other stations along the Resort, Express or EPCOT beams. I'm sure this type of hardware exists in the Monorail Shop backstage though.
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Here's a closeup below. It runs the entire length of the station.
View attachment 201158


Express Beam seen below does not have one.
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It's a safety device (fall protection) for monorail inspections.
 
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